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  • 1ll-egal
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2004
    • 90

    #1

    What's more important, rank or score?

    Well it has happened to me plenty of times and probably it has happened to you when you got a higher rank than your opponent but then that person had a higher score and you thought you won and I want to clear it up. What counts more if you face someone, if you get a higher rank or higher score?
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  • babybenji2004
    Banned
    • Jan 2004
    • 446

    #2
    RE: What

    SCORE SCORE SCORE SCORE SCORE SCORE SCORE SCORE!!!
    In tournaments its all about score. Unless its a freestyleing competition.

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    • GregHead
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jul 2003
      • 306

      #3
      Well, I'll bet you 90% of the people here are going to say "Score isn't good because it puts to much value on later steps", prefering dane points (and, to that extent, rank).

      Personally, I prefer rank because it's easier to remember than an 8-digt number. I wish they added pluses and minuses to the rank (ie AA-, B+, etc).

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      • babybenji2004
        Banned
        • Jan 2004
        • 446

        #4
        yes but he's talking about when he's going up against someone at the arcade.
        For example, You AA a song but the person you are up against has an A with a higher score, they would be the winner.

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        • GregHead
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Jul 2003
          • 306

          #5
          Originally posted by babybenji2004
          yes but he's talking about when he's going up against someone at the arcade.
          For example, You AA a song but the person you are up against has an A with a higher score, they would be the winner.
          Oh...

          well personally I would go with neither (I ususally don't like comparing), but if you wanted to compete, then I'd agree with score. Otherwise, I'd hypothetically go with number of perfects. They're all good choices

          As a side note, in DDR Extreme USA, if one player gets a lower grade, it is shown without a spotlight. Any other games in the series do that?

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          • Neonatrias
            MAЯISA
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jan 2004
            • 919

            #6
            In response to GregHead, I don't believe so. I think EX USA is the only game that does that.

            Originally posted by babybenji2004
            yes but he's talking about when he's going up against someone at the arcade.
            For example, You AA a song but the person you are up against has an A with a higher score, they would be the winner.
            Not necessarily. Around here, tournaments are decided solely by PA. OK's are worth 3 points, Perfects are worth 2 points, and Greats are worth 1 (I think that's how it works). This is because actual scores are weighted. Arrows at the beginning of the song are worth less than arrows at the end. In effect, it depends where you're playing.

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            • nestlekwik
              Retired Staff
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Dec 2002
              • 2317

              #7
              It goes by how many perfects you have. Score isn't tell-tale because the steps toward the end of the song are weighted more in most of the mixes.


              Originally posted by MixMasterLar
              Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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              • Chromer
                Hookers and Blow
                • Jul 2003
                • 4981

                #8
                That's how I lost at the VB Tourney last year. Me and this guy were in the championship and we both played HVAM for the final on Heavy this was the score.

                Opponent

                Perfects: 328

                Me:

                Perfects 303

                I still lost because he had more perfects not because my score was higher though. I FC'd the song, but he didn't. I still lost.

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                • B3NJ1
                  FFR Player
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 266

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Neonatrias
                  In response to GregHead, I don't believe so. I think EX USA is the only game that does that.

                  Originally posted by babybenji2004
                  yes but he's talking about when he's going up against someone at the arcade.
                  For example, You AA a song but the person you are up against has an A with a higher score, they would be the winner.
                  Not necessarily. Around here, tournaments are decided solely by PA. OK's are worth 3 points, Perfects are worth 2 points, and Greats are worth 1 (I think that's how it works). This is because actual scores are weighted. Arrows at the beginning of the song are worth less than arrows at the end. In effect, it depends where you're playing.
                  There was a tournament at my arcade like that a few years back. I found it in some old message boards. Damn tech tourneys.
                  edit-
                  As a side note, in DDR Extreme USA, if one player gets a lower grade, it is shown without a spotlight. Any other games in the series do that?
                  Festival DDR (jp)
                  By far my least favorite mix.

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                  • GregHead
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 306

                    #10
                    Originally posted by B3NJ1
                    As a side note, in DDR Extreme USA, if one player gets a lower grade, it is shown without a spotlight. Any other games in the series do that?
                    Festival DDR (jp)
                    By far my least favorite mix.
                    I haven't played it, but judging from the songlists, it seems like they might as well as called it "DDR USA". Really, it has all the american exclusives. And the Ultramix ones don't have beginner steps (just like in Ultramix). From what I've seen, the GUI looks the same as Extreme US (which isn't neccessarily bad). But generally, it's basically the US games put on a Japanese disc. Hey Konami, how about doing the reverse while you're at it?

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                    • nestlekwik
                      Retired Staff
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 2317

                      #11
                      Well DDR EX USA is based off the format of Festival so that's why they're similar. In older versions in versus (like 2nd), the word winner was displayed with the winning grade.


                      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                      Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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                      • igotrhythm
                        Fractals!
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 6535

                        #12
                        I prefer to go with the grade. I mean, it's not too uncommon to see, say, a Standard player and a Heavy player going at it at the same time. Naturally, since the Heavy player has a higher maximum score, of course he's going to get more points (as you know, max score is 10 million times the foot rating). When the grades are the same and the people are dancing on the same difficulty, number of perfects is what counts. I have no idea why combo length isn't weighted, though...
                        Originally posted by thesunfan
                        I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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                        • Tsuteto
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2004
                          • 1312

                          #13
                          Combo was weighted in the old days. They learned that was stupid. Now it is not.

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                          • GregHead
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 306

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tsuteto
                            Combo was weighted in the old days. They learned that was stupid. Now it is not.
                            Oooooh, I'm going to "ouch" for FFR1 :P

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                            • Bakyurha
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2005
                              • 42

                              #15
                              i would say 80% score and 20% rank.

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