North Korea and Iran love to America

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I think any country with nuclear weapons should be dealt with slowly. Honestly, I'd rather see our budget go towards an anti-missile program. The Patriots can't shoot down nukes, and the Star Wars program was cancelled. If that were jump started and finished so that nukes were not a threat, then it wouldn't matter who had nukes anymore. Right now, nukes are about the only thing stopping us from being able to dominate all those countries. If we take that away, they may not even bother trying to scare us with them.

Then, we could roll in and set up new governments or at least make them change their "war" funds into "supporting the people" funds.

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It's funny- they say imperialism is dead. I guess not.

The sorry thing is that the majority of the population feels it's ok for us to act that way. I don't think so. I feel that them having nukes is just a defense because of the fact that we have nukes and we have shown that we will preemptive strike. What do you expect them to do?

I say let them alone. EB's got good points with the protection idea, and I agree with him there. I mean, there's something to be said for preemption, but if we keep this whole thing up we'll never stop fighting, and these wars are costly in several different ways. Protect ourselves, first. Let them flaunt their weapons and try to scare everyone, but the instant they try (and/or succeed) to hit someone hard, then go in and fuck their shit up. If any country has the audacity to launch a nuclear attack it can go ahead and consider itself obliterated by the US and the rest of the world. To me, the more real threat are the terrorists, and God help us if they get a hold of nukes. Of course, since they can't develop them themselves, a country would be held responsible and, as such, obliterated.

EDIT @Afro: When has America shown that it will either use nukes to preemtively strike or use enough force for reasons that merit defensive use of nuclear weapons? That's ridiculous.

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Afro, we're not imperialistic, we just spread democracy aggresively. After Iraq's new government is set up, we'll leave, and if everything is done right and the gov works well, they'll become our friend and ally, not a colony of the US. It just seems to be how we do things. We friggin nuked Japan, then we went in with the military and helped rebuild and fix it all up. Now we're friends and trade and make money off of each other. The war is costly now, but once we have a democratic friend over there, we will reap the benefits. Especially since they have the oil.

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Wait, since when is this considered a latest development? I knew about this before the U.S. invaded Iraq. North Korea has always been a threat (if not greater than Iraq.)

My sophmore year of high school I saw a speech by the Japanese Ambassador to America. The topic was on North Korea. One of the main points was that Kim Jong Il is not the crazy guy the media preseves him to be. He is very intellegent, and he knows what he is doing. The other point was not to forget about North Korea because that is the worst thing we could do. Why is North Korea parading it's missles? Because Kim Jong Il wants attention. North Korea's economy is unstable, that is why it wants Japan and America to help.

Personally, I feel that more attention should be paid to North Korea...they should be meetings and discussions (something we cannot do in the Middle East). North Korea doesnt want war (as the Japanese Ambassador said in his speech).

As for Iran. I dont know much about Iran other than their government is way more corrupt than Iraq's was. However, Monsieur Bush better not jump into Iran the same why he did Iraq....seriously, a "coalition of the willing" and "oh, they have Weapons of Mass destru-...WAIT! no, I mean, we are liberating the people of Iran...yeah, that's what we were doing the whole time...WMD's pssh...who said that?" just isnt going to cut it. And if they try pulling some BS like that again, I am moving to Canada.

Japan is a totally different story than Iraq.

Japan actually attacked us. Japan was the one who started the war. We werent "spreading democracy" when we declared war on Japan. We declared war so we could kick their ass, and fire bomb their wooden cities. Then Truman took office after FDR died, and we nuked them...twice! Then they surrendered.

Why did we invade Iraq?

First it was because they had WMDs and were harboring terrorists, but it turns out we werent 100% accurate, so then we changed our reasoning to "liberating the people of Iraq and establishing democracy."

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I wasn't comparing the reasons for attack, I was comparing how our troops remain afterwards. Currently, our troops aren't actively going after and attacking like they were before, we're mostly just occupying. After WW2 ended, we remained in Japan. It seemed like we stayed for no reason, but we were helping. We helped so much and got them back on their feet, so they became our friend. Same thing will happen with Iraq, unless people keep being anti-war and we pull out before the job is done.

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Since this is Chit-Chat, I'd like to point out that statement and say "Hahah. Sexual innuendos are the greatest."

Aye, back to being serious. When establishing a democracy, the people of a nation actually have to want democracy. If they dont, it will fail, no matter if we stay in or not. It happened in Cuba.

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You know, you talk about pulling out, but infact, we STILL have some troops in Japan, AND Afganistan. You people seem to think that we actually pulled out.

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Beautiful Jewpin.

Most recently NK officially announced their possession of Nuclear weapons, before there were merely ors and radio show bantar. We knew they had them, but now they just want to show them off without any cares.

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What I really meant was that we have nukes and that we will preemptive strike. I didn't mean that we would use nukes to preemptive strike. However, I was trying to point out that we could, and that's likely what North Korea is afraid of.

@eb:

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NK used to claim they had it, then they were developing it, and now they reaffirm the fact that they have nuclear weapons and no one doubts it anymore since they've had plenty of time to make them, which is why it is different than before Jewpin.

Kim has a lot to be afraid of, but not from America. He knows unless he tries to provoke us into doing something we would continue to ignore him, his people would continue to starve and eventually assassinate him. Odds are it will still probably happen. We have this policy of ignoring him in the hopes he will go away, so he keeps flaunting nuclear arms in order to get us to acknowledge his prescence.

Personally, I think we don't use our military might in the proper fashion. We might as well just turn Iran into a self-lit glass-bottomed parking lot for the next thousand years since they don't really want to be a part of the modern world anyways. Then everyone will realize we mean business.

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Oh, this is to cenright: We are no longer occupying Japan, and Afghanistan is still considered a war zone.

We occupied japan long enough to reorganize the country and make sure it didn't degenerate into what it was before and want to attack us again. Now we are in Japan not to occupy the country but because they are our allies, and by placing forces in Japan it gives us the ability to aid them better if a conflict arises because our bases are already established.

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DOUBLE POST OSHI

Anyway, I doubt we'll go to war. Bush doesn't need to lie to us to get reelected this time.

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I like your philosophy Spook.