What is the absolute limit?

**Tasselfoot** · 10-17-2004, 09:40 PM

RE: What is the absolute limit?

lab is 180bpm, and no constant streams, but has jumps in the beginning and end... A is 191 constant stream at the end... so, A is definately harder... and, i believe a pass of A is possible. dignity is 190bpm, and its 5 notes instead of 4 on PIU, although the streams at 190 aren't that long. A is definately passable... how much past that is questionable.

**Nima** · 10-17-2004, 10:43 PM

don't be stupid... several of the really good players can EASILY do bmr's A...

**Novacaine** · 10-21-2004, 05:28 PM

BMR A? the fuck?
anyway Im sure anyway1 coud eventually learn to do a song at over 400
just have to practice
a long time ago i used to think max300 was impossible cuz it was too fast
now it almost seems slow compaired to legend or outer limits
So yea

**Tasselfoot** · 10-21-2004, 05:38 PM

BMR's A, when compared to max300 is like this...

A = 191
Max300 = 150

now, just so you don't go like "wtf... its 300bpm... its faster!" i will explain...

max300 is all 8th notes. which means, you are playing it at the equivalent of 600bpm 4th notes (300 x 8/4 = 600)
A is 191bpm 16th notes for most of the song (there are more arrows at this speed than there are total arrows in max300). so, it is the equivalent of 764bpm 4th notes (191 x 16/4 = 764). both LoM and Outer Limits are slower than A as well, by over 10bpm 16th notes.

absolute limit? somewhere around 200bpm 16ths, like OML... that is my guess.

**Moogy** · 10-21-2004, 06:14 PM

Pandemonium Expert on ITG is pushing it. Step jump patterns and runs for ~2 minutes at a speed faster than A. Cynic passed it first try.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-21-2004, 06:56 PM

pandemonium is 200bpm... is ITG 4-notes? if so, then i've played it on SM... its difficult for fingers. if it isn't 4-note... then i played some SM version of it, and its still difficult for fingers.

**Moogy** · 10-22-2004, 05:23 AM

It's 4 arrows, like DDR.

**Elipsis** · 10-23-2004, 02:42 AM

I know 11's are possible, I got a 15 combo in first uber rave stream (reach's version) before... and I'm nowhere near the level of the people who AAA the 10's (I B or C them)

**Tasselfoot** · 10-23-2004, 10:11 AM

Uber Rave is only 175 bpm... the problem with UR is that its VERY long... the endurance would be a really issue...

but, we're talking about speed. 175 is certainly doable.

**Spazzbite** · 10-23-2004, 03:19 PM

WTF? Pandemonium isn't 200bpm, its around 330. And I'd say the limit is probably around 240bpm 16ths.

**Novacaine** · 10-23-2004, 04:20 PM

ok so what ur saying is its like 382 beats per minute rite

and if im right or not
do u kno where to find it n play it as well as others like Omega or NeoMax or max340 or Maxforever on stepmania or Dance with intensity or whatever?

and another thing as far as 11 steps go I thout Legend of max and PSM were 11's and PSMO and Max. (period) were 12's

correct me if im wrong plz k thnx.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-23-2004, 05:35 PM

they are all 10s, as per DDRs scoring.

Spazz.. my bad on the pandemonium... so its 165 16ths, but there are jumps and stuff in there... its not a cake AAA on keyboard

and, if Dignity can be done (195) on PIU, albiet it the streams aren't very long, i definately feel OML can be beaten... much past that is really really pushing it, IMO.

240 16ths? no way. thats max480... or, max300 on 1.6x music... on pad.

**Novacaine** · 10-26-2004, 04:48 PM

then why do the flash?? wats the point of that

**Chromer** · 10-28-2004, 03:18 AM

I want to see someone AAA Eggman's Quasar on pad. That wouldnt be really hard to do though.

What is the absolute limit?

What is the absolute limit?

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