The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

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  • Omeganitros
    auauauau
    • Jun 2003
    • 8897

    #1

    The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"



    Kiss goodbye independent artists. Most independent producers specialize in electronic music (including hip hop); much of this extremely large genre utilizes sampling, either to grab a sweet bass line (see: most of Hip Hop) or as a tool or effect to be used in a song because it fit.

    It's freaking ironic. First they claim they're against pirating because it damages the Artist's income and prevents new artists from rising, and then they go and damage artist's income and prevent new artists from rising.


    I am very much tempted to do something very bad to the RIAA.
  • Moogy
    嗚呼
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2003
    • 10303

    #2
    RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

    Nobody cares about the RIAA anymore. Let them say it. Nobody will listen to them.
    Plz visit my blog

    ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

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    • evilbutterfly
      FFR Player
      • Apr 2003
      • 5784

      #3
      RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

      The EB says: "Blow me, RIAA."
      So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =(

      In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz.

      So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright.
      And I write the blog for their website.

      Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

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      • Anticrombie0909
        FFR Player
        • Jul 2003
        • 4683

        #4
        RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

        I stopped giving a shit about what laws and regulations they pass looooooong ago.

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        • Omeganitros
          auauauau
          • Jun 2003
          • 8897

          #5
          RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

          Some people like to try being legit. And I didn't give a crap about them either. But this ridiculous. This is crossing the line. This is going too far.

          Anyways, here's what the lawyers say:

          DIGITAL SAMPLING

          The controversy surrounding digital sampling has generated quite a bit of misunderstanding among musicians. For instance, many musicians are under the misperception that it is OK to sample anything less than 4 bars of another song. In fact, sampling just a few notes may be enough to cause legal problems.

          IS DIGITAL SAMPLING LEGAL?

          Most legal experts believe the issue of digital sampling was resolved in 1991, when a Federal District Court ruled that Biz Markie's use of a few notes from the chorus of Gilbert O'Sullivan hit song "Alone Again, Naturally" amounted to copyright infringement. In addition to citing to the Ten Commandments ("Thou shalt not steal"), the judge barred any further sale of Biz Markie's album and referred to matter to the U.S. Attorney for possible criminal prosecution. Another court later ruled that sampling phrases like "ooh" "move" and "free your body" may also be enough to find copyright infringement.

          Digital sampling may not just violate copyright laws. Failure to obtain permission before sampling a distinctive voice may also violate certain state laws recognizing that famous personalities have a "right of publicity." A few years ago Tom Waits successfully sued Frito Lay for using an imitation of his distinctive vocal style in a commercial. Bette Midler also won a lawsuit against Ford Motor Co. for imitating her voice in a television commercial without her permission. Sampled artists may also have a claim for unfair competition if their voice or "persona" are used without permission.

          IS DIGITAL SAMPLING PROTECTED AS FAIR USE?

          So far, no court has ruled on whether digital sampling may be protected as fair use. However, legal experts agree that for a sample to qualify as fair use, it must be used for purposes such as parody, criticism, teaching, news reporting, research or some non-profit use. Using a sample merely because it sounds good is simply not enough to qualify for protection as fair use. [Note: For more information on music and fair use, click back to my recent Fine Print column on the fair use exception to copyright infringement.]

          OBTAINING SAMPLE CLEARANCES

          To legally sample a song, it is necessary to obtain permission from the copyright holder of the sound recording (usually the record company) and the copyright holder of the composition (usually the song's publisher). Permission from the owner should also be sought when sampling a television show or motion picture.

          Artists should obtain permission from all copyright owners before any song containing a sample is distributed publicly. Waiting until after your record is distributed can result in lost income, expensive legal fees and the removal of your record from the market. Releasing your record before obtaining clearances also reduces your bargaining power if you later attempt to negotiate a sample license.

          HOW TO CLEAR A SAMPLE:

          Music attorneys often clear samples, although this can be somewhat expensive. Clearance agencies are usually cheaper, and many are familiar with licensing samples. Record companies can also clear samples for their artists, but the cost of negotiating and obtaining clearances will later be deducted from any recording advance or royalties the artist may be entitled to.

          Of course, you may decide to obtain a sample license yourself. To clear samples, it is necessary to write to the record company and publisher of the sampled song. ASCAP or BMI will likely have the publisher's current address. In your letter, ask for a quote for a clearance fee, and identify the song you are sampling and how much is used. Don't forget to include a tape of the original song, as well as a copy of your unreleased song using the sample.

          In granting a license, a record company may seek a flat-fee of anywhere from $100 to $5,000, or possibly more. Record companies may also seek a royalty (from $.01 to $.07 per record sold) as well as an advance. Music publishers may also ask for a flat fee or a percentage of income from the new song, or both. Depending on how the sample is used, some publisher may also demand a percentage of copyright ownership in the new composition. Because copyright owners are not obligated to grant clearances, you may have no choice but to comply with the owner's asking price, or remove the sample. Of course, a copyright owner may also deny permission to use a sample.

          Different factors affect how much money a record company or music publisher will want for a sample. Price may vary depending on how much of the sample is used, how many other samples are used, whether your song has already been released, and the type of rights a record company is willing to grant. For example, a music publisher may choose to license a sample for sound recordings only. In this case, you would be unable to use your song containing the sample in a motion picture, video or CD-Rom without an additional license from the music publisher.

          Finally, to keep costs down, some artists choose to create their own samples by first recording their own "cover" version of the sampled song. By using this technique, an artist avoids having to obtain a clearance from the original record company. Nevertheless, when creating your own sample based on another song, you will still need to obtain a clearance from the music publisher of the original composition.

          CONCLUSION:

          Scratching and sampling has created some of this century's most vital and expressive music, bridging the gap between popular and experimental composition. Nevertheless, using a sample without permission violates two copyrights - the copyright in the sound recording and the copyright in the underlying composition. Because the cost of legitimately clearing samples cuts into an artist's record advance and royalty rate, it is understandable why many young artists later create their own samples in the studio after they become established acts.

          While a sample of 1 or 2 notes is OK only if it is taken from a non-essential or commonly used phrase, another sample of 1 or 2 notes may be infringing if taken from a musically significant part of a song. Thus, taking the recognizable word "Help" from the Beatles' song, or appropriating the distinctive style of an artist's performance, such as James Brown's unique scream, would constitute an infringement. Because there is no hard and fast rule on what is safe to sample, the best advice is "When in doubt, obtain a license."

          Alan Korn
          Law Office of Alan Korn
          1840 Woolsey Street
          Berkeley, CA 94703

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          • Privateer
            FFR Player
            • Sep 2003
            • 2962

            #6
            RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

            guyz u sholnd DL music cuz they cant find u lol

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            • QreepyBORIS
              FFR Player
              • Feb 2003
              • 7454

              #7
              RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

              "Copyright law killed the sa-a-ampling star.

              Signature subject to change.

              THE ZERRRRRG.

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              • Squeek
                let it snow~
                • Jan 2004
                • 14444

                #8
                RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

                Quote:

                DIGITAL SAMPLING

                The controversy
                I stopped reading RIGHT THERE. Anytime somebody says the word "controversy" nowadays, I immediately shut off my listening to them. I'm so sick of that word being overused for extremely trivial matters. The way the word is progressing, I can slap that label on anything I feel like and make a solid case about it.

                Dude, fish are controversial. They're contaminating our water and they smell really bad. I hate fish, and therefore must make a big case about it to boost my self-esteem when it gets published in some big newspaper or magazine.

                Also, I think the controversy surrounding air these days is huge. Some people are all like, "PRO-AIR!" And everybody else is like, "PRO H2S04!". And I'm all like, this is a perfect article to waste my time writing. Let's get started.

                Stupid people have put that word to use for every movie that has come out since the year 2000. Finding Nemo was CONTROVERSIAL somehow. Trust me, if I look, I'll find someone who was pissed that the movie was made and complained to some news company who published their sad story.

                This case goes nowhere. Now, any artist can claim that another artist stole their style but slightly changed it. That chord was mine. Nobody else can hit all three strings at that pitch all at once. YOU COPYCAT YOU.

                It's IMPOSSIBLE to make a song that doesn't somehow copy some other song in some little way, so go try something else you lunatics. How about you stop distributing MP3s that you edited and put in scratches? That's illegal too, you know. You've taken the artist's work and defiled it. You need to go to court now.

                Wow. I've been up too long and I'm kinda angry that Ikaruga is cheating me over every time. That was just one huge rant, eh? Whatever.

                ~Squeek

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                • Omeganitros
                  auauauau
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 8897

                  #9
                  RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

                  Ouch.

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                  • QreepyBORIS
                    FFR Player
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 7454

                    #10
                    RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

                    H2SO4...can't remember what that is.

                    Either sulferic acid, or uh...yeah, I'm not sure.

                    But Squeek makes a good point. :O!

                    Signature subject to change.

                    THE ZERRRRRG.

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                    • alextrebek
                      FFR Player
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 216

                      #11
                      RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

                      Squeek wins fatality. End of story.

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                      • jewpinthethird
                        (The Fat's Sabobah)
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Nov 2002
                        • 11711

                        #12
                        RE: The RIAA Says, "No More Free Sampling!"

                        NO MORE PUFF DADDY. UH OH.

                        This thread has inspired me....

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                        • Brainmaster07
                          FFR Player
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 2891

                          #13
                          ha...hahahaha.....HAHAHAHA.

                          Wow, this is pathetic.

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                          • Kilgamayan
                            Super Scooter Happy
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6583

                            #14
                            i have a patent on the f sharp so everyone who uses one owes me royalties i demand all songs with an f sharp in them be taken off the internet
                            I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                            • Squeek
                              let it snow~
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 14444

                              #15
                              Kilga - That's basically what I was trying to say. Though, subliminally, I was calling A.

                              ~Squeek

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