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  • DossarLX ODI
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    • Mar 2008
    • 14999

    #1

    RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

    Shoutouts

    I would first like to start with a shoutout to SillyFangirl for AAAing this beast of a chart. It's got a long history and finally achieving a perfect score on this song deserves a thread to talk about its history.


    Background

    Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion (RATO) was released 12/23/08.

    To get an idea of how messy the scores were around a week after its release, I used the Wayback machine to get the top 10 leaderboards on December 31st, 2008. Initially on RATO, just mashing a full combo on this chart would already land you in the top 10.



    While I don't remember what the Rank 1 score was at the time, the following picture with stat breakdowns should give a rough idea of how the score was still 100+ goods. What was worse was that at the time you needed to get a full combo on the chart as well, so players ended up mashing a lot.

    Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 08-3-2019, 05:38 PM.
    Originally posted by hi19hi19
    oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file
  • DossarLX ODI
    Batch Manager
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    • Mar 2008
    • 14999

    #2
    Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

    Summary
    The following is a summary of the score progression (in terms of goods) for this song.

    30s
    TC_Halogen - 9/29/10 [35 goods]

    20s
    DossarLX ODI - 10/28/10 [29 goods]

    Approaching 19
    DossarLX ODI - 11/3/10 [20-2-0-8]

    Teens (<20)
    DossarLX ODI - 10/14/11 [17 goods]

    Teens with FC
    Staiain - 7/3/14 [16-1-0-4]

    Approaching 10
    Staiain - 7/3/14 [11 goods]

    SDG (<10)
    Staiain - 8/24/15 [6 goods]

    Approaching 10 with FC
    jakads - 9/9/16 [14-0-0-4]

    SDG with FC
    SillyFangirl - 4/5/19 [8 goods clean]

    AAA
    SillyFangirl - 8/2/19

    For an even more condensed version:
    2010 - 30s
    2010 - 20s
    2011 - <20
    2015 - <10
    2019 - AAA

    This means:
    - 2 years to get scores down to the 30s good range
    - 3 years for less than 20
    - 7 years for single digit goods
    - 11 years for AAA
    Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 08-3-2019, 05:30 PM.
    Originally posted by hi19hi19
    oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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    • DossarLX ODI
      Batch Manager
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      • Mar 2008
      • 14999

      #3
      Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

      Extended Timeline

      TC_Halogen

      9/29/10
      1546-35-7-12-7




      DossarLX ODI

      October 2009
      40's good count with misses: based on this post.

      10/27/10
      1554-38-7-1-4

      10/28/10
      1565-29-1-5-7

      11/3/10
      1578-20-2-0-8 [2,473,350]



      9/28/11
      1566-23-1-0-3 [2,473,120]



      10/14/11
      1577-17-5-1-5



      7/7/12
      1578-21-0-1-0




      Staiain

      7/3/14
      1586-11-0-3-3
      1583-16-1-0-4

      8/24/15
      1586-6-0-8-0


      EtienneSM

      2/16/15
      1584-14-0-2-2

      I couldn't find the date of the 13-0-1-5 score although EtienneSM was Rank 1 at some point before jakads got Rank 1.


      jakads

      9/9/16
      1586-14-0-0-4


      Ziltoid

      10/9/18
      1588-12-0-0-0


      SillyFangirl

      4/5/19
      1593-5-1-1-3
      1592-8-0-0-0

      8/2/19
      1592-8-0-0-0
      1596-4-0-0-0
      1597-3-0-0-1
      1597-3-0-0-0
      1598-2-0-0-0
      1599-1-0-0-2
      1599-1-0-0-1
      1599-1-0-0-0
      1599-1-0-0-0
      1600-0-0-0-0
      Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 08-3-2019, 05:44 PM.
      Originally posted by hi19hi19
      oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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      • TC_Halogen
        Rhythm game specialist.
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Feb 2008
        • 19376

        #4
        Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

        preemptively coming in: my old RATO score was not stealth - the DF engine that was being used at the time was slightly borked with mods because I was trying to add some back when I didn't know how to do anything at all.

        this history is really neat, thanks Dossar.

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        • j-rodd123
          End of the road
          • Oct 2006
          • 3692

          #5
          Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

          Cool to see the progression on the chart, thanks for putting it together

          Originally posted by FictionJunction
          wow

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          • Dinglesberry
            longing
            • Dec 2007
            • 2679

            #6
            Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

            i always love reading old rhythm game histories n stuffs, good post thnx for posting info about song

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            • Matthia
              🍍Pineapple Man🍍
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Nov 2017
              • 511

              #7
              Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

              love seeing RATO broken down to the deep-end history components and scores before the ultimate AAA, nice thread
              Last edited by Matthia; 08-3-2019, 05:55 PM.



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              • Bobini
                FFR Player
                • Nov 2017
                • 11

                #8
                Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                It's hard to believe it finally got AAA'd after all these years.

                I'm still waiting for Death Piano AAA.
                : )

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                • Dinglesberry
                  longing
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 2679

                  #9
                  Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                  Originally posted by Bobini
                  It's hard to believe it finally got AAA'd after all these years.

                  I'm still waiting for Death Piano AAA.
                  : )
                  im waiting for undici

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                  • V-Ormix
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 4677

                    #10
                    Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                    i remember playing doss on rato in mp and he had 50s with low everything else and i thought wtf how... fast forward to the era of sillyfangirl :v

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                    • Mahou
                      魔法少女
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 2153

                      #11
                      Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                      Cool
                      Originally posted by lofty rhino
                      one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                      AND watch anime.

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                      • XelNya
                        [Kaho]
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 3368

                        #12
                        Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                        Cool, now I don't wanna hear my patterns in my files are too hard anymore.

                        Also, grats, Doss you wanna break down what in particular made this file complete ass to score on? Or if SFG wants to that'd be neat.

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                        • gold stinger
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6428

                          #13
                          Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                          Crazy to think that 11 years of community progress and development of skills as a whole attributed to the culmination of the AAA this week.
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          butts.


                          - Tosh 2014






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                          • Dinglesberry
                            longing
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 2679

                            #14
                            Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                            Originally posted by XelNya
                            Cool, now I don't wanna hear my patterns in my files are too hard anymore.

                            Also, grats, Doss you wanna break down what in particular made this file complete ass to score on? Or if SFG wants to that'd be neat.
                            theres a [1][1] minijack near 1000~ notes and a [2][2][2] triplet jack near 1200~ notes that are aids to AAA, the rest isnt bad

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                            • DossarLX ODI
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                              • Mar 2008
                              • 14999

                              #15
                              Re: RATO: A History of the chart and the current AAA

                              Originally posted by XelNya
                              Cool, now I don't wanna hear my patterns in my files are too hard anymore.

                              Also, grats, Doss you wanna break down what in particular made this file complete ass to score on? Or if SFG wants to that'd be neat.
                              A lot of it comes down to tight frame placements, and in some cases they're in really bad areas.

                              In one of SFG's runs, the triplet 16th jack has a 1-frame hiccup which actually speeds it up to a 300 BPM 3-note jack. That's also what resulted in the miss in my 17-5-1-5 score if I remember correctly.

                              For someone who has a good handle on 16th jumpstreams and anchor patterns at 240, most of the chart is playable. There are also the 48th rollwalls that are easy to screw up (either going in or coming out of them) because they start or end with note gaps and at that speed it's 180 BPM 64th rolls after conversion, so it's a mini vibrating cluster in a sense.

                              Some of the 32nd patterns are also particularly nasty, and at 240, some of the 32nd placements result in 2 frame minijacks.

                              Taking the above into account, it helps explain why someone can cut their score down to 30 goods, but then getting to 20s is hard, and then even worse getting less than 20. This also doesn't take into account mindblocks that can occur (I had a mindblock on one of the anchor patterns in the second half of the chart which resulted in me getting 4 goods at once, most of the time).
                              Last edited by DossarLX ODI; 08-3-2019, 10:41 PM.
                              Originally posted by hi19hi19
                              oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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