Perfect Randomness:Grinding:Skill ratio

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It honestly depends on the game type.
I prefer low randomness, medium grind, high skill. If speed=skill and grinding=safe its like an automatic difficulty setting just through game mechanics.

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0:0:1

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Rpg=med/high/med
Shooter=low/low/high

I don't really play anything else

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2:1:1

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Skill is most important to me and grinding is important only in the sense that it makes you more skilled.

Grinding for levels or achievements or whatever else is lame.

RNG in video games is awful.

0-?-10

(idk how to rate grinding cuz it depends how u define grinding, it could either be 0 or pretty high depending on that)

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Grinding is rather vague as both RNG and skill requirements lead you to grind anyway. I'm assuming you mean grinding when the outcome only factors in time spent.

For me, different combinations of all three have their place at different times. I tend to prefer activities* that focus on only one at a time though. Some examples would be 100% rng juice with friends for randomness, gathering skills to relax on old school runescape (OSRS) for grinding, and stepping manias for skill. Mixing some dose of predictable RNG (i.e., enough so you don't have to rely on outliers to achieve anything) in the other two categories is fine as well.

*Not games, something like runescape is an extreme example where you can focus on completely different things at a given time.

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wow look at all these tryhards

I also don't see why you selected these three in particular

they all have to do with affecting the overall difficulty of the game in a way I guess
randomness depending on how prevalent it is can make difficulty flip flop constantly (RNG in RPGs with enemy AI, damage amounts, other lame mechanics) but it also has a lot of potential for fun. Hard to implement properly, rewarding if done so

Grinding and skill, at least in RPGs, help to balance each other out. Personally I think games with grinding available should be beatable without grinding at all. A good example of this is EarthBound, where you don't really need to grind anything to be able to progress since your party tends to stay just strong enough (and then you can instantly defeat an enemy if your Guts is high enough or something which afaik has never been done outside of earthbound and it really should). Too much grinding is boring and can lead to players dropping your game, too much difficulty leads to the same. I also personally tend to like easy games that don't present too much of a "wall of challenge", if that makes sense. There are certain points where I simply can't progress because something is too hard, best example being Mettaton EX in undertale

so I just stopped playing cause it was a crappy game

grinding still obviously has a purpose in helping players overcome difficulty and allowing them to experience the entire game, but inflating enemy strength to force a player to grind and pad time (as was done oh so often in the days of yore) is crap

so overall you want a little bit of each, too much is overpowering

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0-10 scale

rng: 0-5 - rng good when you can react to it and you get benefits for being able to react to random thing, rng bad when dice roll for win/lose

grinding: 0-7 - grinding good when you get feedback, grinding bad when you just sit there and click for hours for a single level

skill: 0-10 - skill good when game good, skill bad when casual relax game

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Luck: I don't personally like it, as you don't actually earn what your goal is in the game.


Grinding: If it's worth it in the end, then I'm all for grinding.


Skill: I like skill the most because you can keep improving more as you keep playing said game. Also, I find you get rewarded more the better you get at the game.

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Nice thread revival lmao. Cool answers though, I like that

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Randomness and luck are not the same thing. You can have a game be random without it being luck driven. You can have randomness like an enemy you fight has a random color. there is no "luck" for the player as the color doesn't really effect the gameplay. Randomness can be a tool for variety more than it can be for "power".

Lets use tetris for example. Do you like tetris? How would it feel to play tetris if you knew exactly the order of every piece in the game and it was always the same? the game would get boring quite quickly. Tetris can be quite luck based too. maybe you have a tetris lined up but the finale line piece just wont come. 20 pieces go by and still no line. bad luck right? luckily modern tetris games have changed it so you're guaranteed pieces while still keeping it random, but much less luck based. Has tetris lost its randomness? is it still horribly luck based? Does the slight luck that a player might get mean that all of their accomplishments are worthless?

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without reading any other posts to sway my judgment:

Randomness - Very low, but not 0
Grinding - There should be a fair amount of grinding, the bulk of the time playing should be a grind towards goals. To me, satisfaction comes from working toward a goal and finally achieving it. This is also a reason I might stop playing a game.. after I achieve a big goal after a grind, I'm left not knowing what else to do.
Skill - More than is currently present in most MMO games. Puzzles should be challenging, but not super difficult. The thing which you are grinding should leave room for skill-based improvement that increases the efficiency of your grind.

The game that immediately comes to mind for an ideal balance of these 3 is Puzzle Pirates (very old game I know). The game in essence involves you and a crew of other players on ships of varying sizes all doing your duties (Sailing, repairing, bilging water, etc) to keep the ship afloat and battling enemies (players or bots) to pillage their loot. The thing is that every activity in the game is a puzzle minigame (kinda like tetris, bejewelled, etc) that you start absolute garbage at, but after practicing and learning strategies, you can become fantastic at.

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rng most important skill

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so the entire reason beind your autistic hate for undertale is LITERALLY because you cant get good

nice