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  • Mahou
    魔法少女
    • Jan 2006
    • 2153

    #1

    Quick rant on fitness

    I probably could've put this in my progress thread, but I thought this subject needed it's own thread. As of the past few months, I see a lot of people trying to improve their health/lifestyles or trying to get those "gains." (On and off forums). I'm by no means an expert, but I thought I'd like to share my opinion on what supplements actually really matter. Keep in mind, this information is biased only because I'm going off of my personal past experience.

    1) Creatine - Not worth it
    I chose to talk about this one first because this is probably the most commonly used supplement for people who do free weights (me). At first, I was a huge advocate of creatine - why? Because I thought it was helping me get the rapid strength gains within the first year of my journey. I appeared bigger (definitely bloaty), was getting stronger at a pretty good pace.
    Within the last 2-3 months, I've stopped taking creatine completely. And guess what? Nothing fucking happened. The only thing I notice from this supplement is that I piss it out within 10 to 15 minutes.


    2) Whey Protein powder DEFINITELY not worth it
    Also a waste of money. I have not purchased one tub of whey protein in the last 4 months. For the longest time, I used to think whey protein was ESSENTIAL for recovery and muscle building. Why? Because that's what the "experts" say. Here I am blowing 30 to 50 bucks a tub on protein, just to find out it's making me blow a hot one in the toilet.

    3) BCAAS Not worth it
    Also another waste because BCAAS are in your protein powder. It's also in a lot of the food you eat.

    4) Preworkout Not worth it
    Eh, I actually do like preworkout, but once again, it doesn't make you any stronger.

    5) Test boosters Not worth it
    All it did was make my dick hard. No strength gains were acquired.

    6) Premade protein shakes Not worth it
    Also waste of money.


    Supplements that do matter

    1) Food Good shet
    For obvious reasons. Eating REAL food vs synthetic bullshit is always going to win. For example, 5 egg whites is gonna be better than 1 scoop of whey

    2) Sleep Good shet
    If you don't sleep, you don't grow/perform well


    For the longest time, I used to give supplements (the first list) so much praise during my journey. Because of that, I was discrediting the hard work that I put into all of this.

    Don't waste your money. Eat, sleep, and train.
    Last edited by Mahou; 08-8-2018, 08:14 PM.
    Originally posted by lofty rhino
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    AND watch anime.
  • Celirra
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2015
    • 749

    #2
    Re: Quick rant on fitness

    I'm curious about preworkout not being worth it; I've heard that's the only supplement that truly is worth it (except whey if trying to bulk)...

    How about aminos? I was recommended them and I don't know well enough to disagree per se
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    • Mahou
      魔法少女
      • Jan 2006
      • 2153

      #3
      Re: Quick rant on fitness

      Originally posted by Celirra
      I'm curious about preworkout not being worth it; I've heard that's the only supplement that truly is worth it (except whey if trying to bulk)...

      How about aminos? I was recommended them and I don't know well enough to disagree per se
      Preworkout does work, but I just personally do not find it to be a necessity. All it does it help push you harder during your workouts. A person that is highly motivated could do the same thing without the preworkout.
      It doesn't make you stronger, and it doesn't help you reach your fitness goals any quicker than it would without it.

      BCAAs are also worthless too imo. If you buy a whey protein, chances are you're getting plenty of BCAAS (which makes it even more worthless). BCAAS are in a lot of the foods you eat already...like chicken, fish, eggs, etc. More is not better.
      The whole concept of BCAAS is that when you take them, your body will use them as a preferred energy source while you're working out.

      My only experience from BCAAS is that it just makes me piss while I'm trying to workout.
      Originally posted by lofty rhino
      one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
      AND watch anime.

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      • Syhto
        BuMP it
        • Mar 2006
        • 2466

        #4
        Re: Quick rant on fitness

        I am partial to pre-workout as well, but it isn't necessary.

        I mean BCAA's/protein powder are nice in theory if you aren't getting adequate protein from your diet(food) alone

        I personally do a lot of fasting so I like having BCAA's sometimes during the day as a preworkout or intra-workout

        A lot of people do make that mistake about taking BCAA's and protein powder cuz the whey is gonna have all the BCAA's you need

        you forgot to mention l-glutamine btw

        people don't realize if they have a balanced diet they dont need all these supplements, but I actually do take extra l-glutamine or glycine if I just feel my body could use some excess

        edit: and I just posted this not realizing you responded ups

        edit2: People spend way too much money on supplements, its a whole racket. I don't think the benefits you can get from them are usually worth it at all. I agree about the creatine too, never really cared for it or saw that much of a difference besides "pump
        Last edited by Syhto; 08-8-2018, 08:35 PM.
        Originally posted by ~jrodd
        keep ur head up or down whatevers most comfortable idk but ya i repsect u cuz u respect others and we all have opinions to share, so respect one another and keep being urself or someone else watever
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        • Mahou
          魔法少女
          • Jan 2006
          • 2153

          #5
          Re: Quick rant on fitness

          Originally posted by Syhto
          you forgot to mention l-glutamine btw

          people don't realize if they have a balanced diet they dont need all these supplements, but I actually do take extra l-glutamine or glycine if I just feel my body could use some excess
          what advantage do you get from taking glutamine and glycine?
          Originally posted by lofty rhino
          one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
          AND watch anime.

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          • who_cares973
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2006
            • 15407

            #6
            Re: Quick rant on fitness

            I take protein strictly to help me meet my daily protein goal. I can't say much on anything else because I don't take them. I can understand preworkout but I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed to take it

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            • Syhto
              BuMP it
              • Mar 2006
              • 2466

              #7
              Re: Quick rant on fitness

              There have been a lot of studies on l-glutamine, it has something to do with glycogen synthesis post-workout and muscle recovery. If you aren't eating much it is one of the main ones you would want to supplement. But it would be included in BCAA's or p much any normal protein source, although they say the body can use much more than what is "needed" and does well with more flooding the system after a workout.

              L-glycine in higher doses makes my muscles relax, I'll take it with magnesium supplements at bed time sometimes when I'm really beat up from my workout

              I don't take them religiously, but ya

              It's just that people at supplement shops want to sell you a lot of L-glutamine and tell you to take it like 3 times a day, like 15gs a day. I don't notice a difference doing that vs taking 5gs after a hard workout and I feel like I do recover a bit faster

              edit: Also, glycine is supposed to help with collagen production esp in older people like 40+
              Last edited by Syhto; 08-8-2018, 09:03 PM.
              Originally posted by ~jrodd
              keep ur head up or down whatevers most comfortable idk but ya i repsect u cuz u respect others and we all have opinions to share, so respect one another and keep being urself or someone else watever
              Originally posted by ~Tao of Dossar
              I never self-reflect, and therefore, I have no negative thoughts about myself. However I am also aware about my successes.

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              • Mahou
                魔法少女
                • Jan 2006
                • 2153

                #8
                Re: Quick rant on fitness

                Originally posted by who_cares973
                I take protein strictly to help me meet my daily protein goal. I can't say much on anything else because I don't take them. I can understand preworkout but I've never been in a situation where I felt I needed to take it
                What is your protein goal for each day?

                Originally posted by Syhto
                There have been a lot of studies on l-glutamine, it has something to do with glycogen synthesis post-workout and muscle recovery. If you aren't eating much it is one of the main ones you would want to supplement. But it would be included in BCAA's or p much any normal protein source, although they say the body can use much more than what is "needed" and does well with more flooding the system after a workout.

                L-glycine in higher doses makes my muscles relax, I'll take it with magnesium supplements at bed time sometimes when I'm really beat up from my workout

                I don't take them religiously, but ya

                It's just that people at supplement shops want to sell you a lot of L-glutamine and tell you to take it like 3 times a day, like 15gs a day. I don't notice a difference doing that vs taking 5gs after a hard workout and I feel like I do recover a bit faster

                edit: Also, glycine is supposed to help with collagen production esp in older people like 40+
                See that’s what bothers me is that people in supplement shops are always trying to push something on me - they say “oh this is what you need” when their overall physique isn’t even impressive at all.

                I can always give it a go and make a review about it as well. I’m pretty huge on the idea of fast recovery.
                Originally posted by lofty rhino
                one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                AND watch anime.

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                • Syhto
                  BuMP it
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2466

                  #9
                  Re: Quick rant on fitness

                  I know its tired but I also get a big benefit from turmeric w/ DOMS. works better than ibuprofen for me personally
                  Originally posted by ~jrodd
                  keep ur head up or down whatevers most comfortable idk but ya i repsect u cuz u respect others and we all have opinions to share, so respect one another and keep being urself or someone else watever
                  Originally posted by ~Tao of Dossar
                  I never self-reflect, and therefore, I have no negative thoughts about myself. However I am also aware about my successes.

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                  • who_cares973
                    FFR Player
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 15407

                    #10
                    Re: Quick rant on fitness

                    Originally posted by Mahou
                    What is your protein goal for each day?



                    See that’s what bothers me is that people in supplement shops are always trying to push something on me - they say “oh this is what you need” when their overall physique isn’t even impressive at all.

                    I can always give it a go and make a review about it as well. I’m pretty huge on the idea of fast recovery.
                    My goal is .7g per pound which is 196 grams right now.

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                    • Mahou
                      魔法少女
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 2153

                      #11
                      Re: Quick rant on fitness

                      Originally posted by who_cares973
                      My goal is .7g per pound which is 196 grams right now.
                      I’m not trying to be negative but I don’t believe that your body needs 196 grams of protein. 196 would send me to the toilet

                      Edit: I know I used to preach that 70 percent of your body weight is what your body needs but I’m inclined to believe that it’s even less than that.
                      Last edited by Mahou; 08-8-2018, 10:05 PM.
                      Originally posted by lofty rhino
                      one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                      AND watch anime.

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                      • Mahou
                        魔法少女
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 2153

                        #12
                        Re: Quick rant on fitness

                        Originally posted by Syhto
                        I know its tired but I also get a big benefit from turmeric w/ DOMS. works better than ibuprofen for me personally
                        lol I have no idea what this is
                        Originally posted by lofty rhino
                        one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                        AND watch anime.

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                        • who_cares973
                          FFR Player
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 15407

                          #13
                          Re: Quick rant on fitness

                          Originally posted by Mahou
                          I’m not trying to be negative but I don’t believe that your body needs 196 grams of protein. 196 would send me to the toilet

                          Edit: I know I used to preach that 70 percent of your body weight is what your body needs but I’m inclined to believe that it’s even less than that.
                          I've read different things from different places with some saying that .36 is enough but I'm on a 1kcal deficit and am fairly active. I'm trying not to have my carbs take up more than 40% of my calories too.

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                          • Mahou
                            魔法少女
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 2153

                            #14
                            Re: Quick rant on fitness

                            Ah okay - that does make sense. Typically during a weight cut you do increase your protein to prevent muscle loss. I’m not sure what the majority of your diet consist of, but just don’t make the mistake of having a majority of your protein come from powder.
                            Last edited by Mahou; 08-9-2018, 07:29 AM.
                            Originally posted by lofty rhino
                            one does not simply hate everyone that plays stepmania
                            AND watch anime.

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                            • Travis_Flesher
                              Champion
                              • May 2011
                              • 790

                              #15
                              Re: Quick rant on fitness

                              This is going to sound mad objective, but. Leafy greens >>> protein
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