Who's fault would it be?

**botchi246** · 05-6-2016, 11:18 AM

Re: Who's fault would it be?

Call the police in every instance. Otherwise, I think there would be a lot of guilt if you could have done something. Doesn't it seem selfish to think that getting in trouble takes precedence over someone else's life?

**-JiZ53-** · 05-6-2016, 11:43 AM

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snitches ITT

live and let live, or in this case, die. are you guys both women? just curious..

calling the police ALWAYS creates more problems. grow some balls and handle things on your own

**cedolad** · 05-6-2016, 11:47 AM

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Regardless if the authorities are involved... Both parties should be at fault.

**-JiZ53-** · 05-6-2016, 12:06 PM

Re: Who's fault would it be?

if I'm watching a mountain lion stalk an elk and I dont do anything to stop the mountain lion, is it my fault that the mountain lion attacked the elk?

**cedolad** · 05-6-2016, 12:13 PM

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That's is completely different and you know that. Survival versus potentially harming people because you cannot call a fucking taxi is completely different.

If I let a mountain lion attack the elk, he gets to eat and live. If I let my drunk ass friend drive without at least offering some sort of consequence, then he potentially harms anybody including himself.

**-JiZ53-** · 05-6-2016, 12:21 PM

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I say mind your own business. tell your friend off or offer to drive him home. you never call the cops on somebody "for their own good". thats how situations escalate. hundreds of people have died because police got involved in situations they didnt need to be involved in. calling the cops on somebody you know for driving drunk is underhanded and vengeful. I dont get people with that kind of mentality

**Dynam0** · 05-6-2016, 12:22 PM

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You might want to look up case law on this topic as I'm sure there are many similar cases out there but basically:

If you knowingly allow someone who is intoxicated to drive then there is definitely some negligence on your part. The fact that you are in another city etc. makes no difference, if there are text messages, phone calls, emails or otherwise showing you knew this person would drive drunk then that doesn't look good on you although it is a weak defense for the drunk driver.

Other third parties could get dragged in of course if it is a large litigated claim; the host(s) of the party or owner of the establishment that this person was at beforehand (who supplied the drinks?), the other party who was hurt even depending on the circumstances.

tl;dr if someone is planning on driving drunk you should call the police or at the very least simply tell them not to do it if you are not physically there to stop them, then you're fine. Regardless of legal shit you don't want to run the risk of your friend or someone else losing their life though.

**-JiZ53-** · 05-6-2016, 12:25 PM

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there was a case where some dumb lady tried to sue a bar for serving her drinks before a dui and the case was dropped because that's completely ridiculous

**cedolad** · 05-6-2016, 12:29 PM

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I keep completely disregarding the fact that the police is being called, so I guess my arguments are null.

**Dynam0** · 05-6-2016, 12:30 PM

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@Jiz It actually isn't ridiculous, bars have huge liability exposure and have had to pay millions in cases. Not hard to find those ones.

**cedolad** · 05-6-2016, 12:32 PM

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I actually know of a few bars downtown in my area, who would tag people's cars for the cops to grab them if they're driving intoxicated.

**-JiZ53-** · 05-6-2016, 12:45 PM

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so by this logic, we are all complicit in the exploitation of african miners that work to mine the metals used in our phones and computers. we should all be tried for war crimes because we continue to elect presidents who completely ignore the geneva conventions. why is it that we are worried about drunk drivers when we are at fault for the degradation of humanity and the environment? we cant just call the cops on the leaders of the industries that are destroying man so we fight amongst ourselves and call the cops on each other. I honestly couldnt care less about drunk driving. idiots will exist no matter where you go and the exact when and where of accidents is hard to predict. I think if we are worried about fault, we should look at the bigger issues affecting the world

**ilikexd** · 05-6-2016, 06:09 PM

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Is your question about the morality of the situation or if someone is legally at fault?

"If you called the police, would you just be saving him from himself again, when you should just let him drown and learn from his own mistakes?"

You wouldn't just be saving him from himself again, you'd be saving the other person. And besides, there's no indication that him getting in this accident would make him learn from his mistakes. Imprisonment, loss of license, and or psychological rehabilitation could be just as or more useful by informing the police and don't entail the certain loss of life. And it's axiomatically better to save the life of an innocent person (the stranger on the road who dies) than that of the guilty person (your friend who drives drunk).

I don't understand the other hypothetical. You're saying that if you report him to the police, you get punished as if you drove drunk?

Originally posted by -JiZ53-

if I'm watching a mountain lion stalk an elk and I dont do anything to stop the mountain lion, is it my fault that the mountain lion attacked the elk?

No, but comparing humans killing humans to animals hunting animals is incredibly stupid for several reasons.

Mountain lions hunt elk to survive, but human beings don't drive drunk to survive, and don't need to kill another human while doing so.
Mountain lions have no critical thinking in their actions as humans are and aren't morally accountable for anything.

**MinaciousGrace** · 05-6-2016, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by -JiZ53-

so by this logic, we are all complicit in the exploitation of african miners that work to mine the metals used in our phones and computers.

actually you are correct, we are all complicit; the fact that we as a global society choose to do nothing about it is irrelevant

you're making the logical error of conflating a failure of responsibility with a criminal conviction

most of the planet's first world population could be tried and convicted for crimes against humanity given that we are directly funding third world dictatorships and oppression of the respective populations through taxes/foreign aid, but the reality of the world is everyone suffers everywhere and we could all do something about it but we don't because it's inconvenient for us

so the real question op has to ask themself isn't who is at fault but which option is more convenient for their life

ps. humanity will be held responsible for slowly diminishing the earth as a suitable living environment, you know, because, eventually, we'll no longer have a suitable living environment

it's one of the few examples in the universe where retribution is inexorably tied to the crime

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