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How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

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  • Arch0wl
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    • Dec 2002
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    #1

    How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

    If you've read part 1 and part 2 of this, you know that you need volume (aka some kind of burning) to really get better and break through plateaus. You'll know you've done a ton of volume when your hands just feel wrecked and it takes a day or two (that's your recovery period) to get back to full speed.

    But I've occasionally heard people recommend against seeking out volume because it's "bad for your wrists."

    This is complete broscience.




    "Broscience" is a term used by bodybuilders for anecdotal facts that have been passed down from lifter to lifter and until they're seen as facts, even though they can be complete myths. If multiple successful bodybuilders do these things, they will be treated as true.

    The concept of broscience can be extended to other domains. I've used 'momscience' to describe widely-discredited food myths like "eating eggs is bad for you." Broscience however is a unique phenomenon where men take a claim as true because it comes from other successful men, then fail to scrutinize it adequately and over time treat the claim as indisputable.

    I've heard "bad for your wrists" from professional musicians of all kinds, none of whom have so much as looked at an exercise physiology textbook, nor even know what muscles they are using when they play their instrument. I mean, "wrists" in the context of playing a rhythm game is vague -- do you mean the wrist joints, or the extensor muscles, or the digit extensors specifically? Even if something was bad for the wrists, it's not going to be bad for every part of the wrist, unless you're making a claim like "stealing fruit from a food vendor in the Aladdin universe is bad for your wrists because your wrist will be chopped off." In that case, okay.

    I only hear this line of reasoning among people who never have to stress their bodies in a physical way. This is important, because many people stress their wrists in ENORMOUSLY more demanding ways than by playing instruments.

    Making the muscles in your arm that control your fingers stronger (which is what you're doing, even though you don't think of it as such) would if anything prevent damage over the long-term. By being stronger, they are more capable. Injury happens, usually, when your muscles are trying to do something they're not able to do -- such as when lifters don't train their rotator cuffs and try to bench huge amounts of weight. You're not going to become more injury prone by getting stronger. The very idea is inane.

    High-volume playing (i.e. playing until your hands feel wrecked) is how you get better at the game long-term. You will either do this all at once (such as in a day's playing) or very very gradually, but you're going to have to apply higher degrees of volume over time either way. The only times I've broken through plateaus on 6-key, 7-key and so on was when I hammered my fingers with patterns that made my arms burn. Once I recovered, I was able to do much harder patterns. Rinse, repeat.

    I've heard this shit from drummers too. When I used to play drums as a teenager, one instructor told me to minimize wrist movements because "it's bad for my wrists." In hindsight, he was extremely skinny and had clearly never done anything fitness-related in his life, nor did he have any physiology background. He was just repeating broscience he's heard from other people.

    Try a counterfactual: if it were true that doing wrist stuff was bad for your wrists, grip athletes who wrist curl to train their grip would have injured their wrists a long time ago. The pinch grip medley uses more wrist muscle in one movement than you ever will by moving around drumsticks. And an average construction worker will put more stress on their wrists in one day's work than you will, ever, by pressing buttons on a keyboard.

    I mean, think about this from an evolutionary perspective. You're telling me that our forearms are that easily fucked over? That a collection of some of the most resilient and adaptable muscles in our bodies can be injured by hard stepmania files? That the muscles that are literally responsible for our superior tool use and ensuring the survival of our species are so weak that playing an instrument with slightly different technique is going to send those muscles crashing to their knees? Get out of here.

    We are a society that used to fight wars with swords, which is indirectly fighting with our wrists. Unless your wrists were already seriously vulnerable to begin with, you will not harm them by pressing any combination of buttons too much. So unless you have wrists made of jello, don't worry about it.
    Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-15-2015, 06:18 PM.
  • blindreper1179
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    • Jun 2006
    • 5900

    #2
    Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

    I expected a post, not a Fucking chapter when you said you'll post elsewhere. But then I remembered you're arch.
    Originally posted by thesunfan
    absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
    Originally posted by choof
    It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
    Originally posted by choof
    whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
    Originally posted by Celirra
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    • Arch0wl
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      • Dec 2002
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      #3
      Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

      correct me if I'm wrong, but this is in fact a post

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      • blindreper1179
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        • Jun 2006
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        #4
        Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

        Technicalities... but good read nonetheless
        Originally posted by thesunfan
        absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
        Originally posted by choof
        It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
        Originally posted by choof
        whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
        Originally posted by Celirra
        I've never been so disappointed by a man from Alabama than I am right now

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        • Ylvis Sanyo
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          • Nov 2013
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          #5
          Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

          this was very intelligent of you

          now i can refer people to this thread when i try to make them play hard files and they say they don't want to hurt their wrists~

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          • Rapta
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            #6
            Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

            LMAO

            I got back from my run and I had a brilliant idea which I stated to my mother who happened to be next to me at the time of my outburst of inner thoughts, and I said "I should have worn my weighted gloves during my run, I should do that next time" and she said "you shouldn't do that it's bad for your wrists, you'll get carpal tunnel". Lmao lmao it is quite the coincidence that this thread was made today and my mother made that comment without saying anything like that before.
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            • Arch0wl
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              #7
              Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

              the argument against wearing weighted stuff while running is that it bounces around unevenly and can place disproportionate weight on one particular area -- but if the weight is evenly distributed, there shouldn't be an issue. I mean, this is the very idea behind the farmer's walk

              I think it's better to use a weighted vest than ankle weights simply because you'll have a more stable weighted area, but people seriously freak out over the dumbest shit

              like, here is a 315lb JUMP SQUAT. this dude is literally jumping with 315lb on his back (mind you, he squats 500+lb) and he's one of the most knowledgeable strength athletes on youtube. if this kind of thing didn't get results (nevermind if it were injurious) no one would do it
              Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-15-2015, 06:05 PM. Reason: cannot emphasize "315lb jump squat" enough

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              • choof
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                #8
                Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                Originally posted by Rapta
                LMAO

                I got back from my run and I had a brilliant idea which I stated to my mother who happened to be next to me at the time of my outburst of inner thoughts, and I said "I should have worn my weighted gloves during my run, I should do that next time" and she said "you shouldn't do that it's bad for your wrists, you'll get carpal tunnel". Lmao lmao it is quite the coincidence that this thread was made today and my mother made that comment without saying anything like that before.
                broscience and momscience in the same post, ladies and gentlemen welcome to the new and improved Rapta v2

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                • Kyzentun
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                  #9
                  Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                  Originally posted by Arch0wl
                  Broscience however is a unique phenomenon where men take a claim as true because it comes from other successful men, then fail to scrutinize it adequately and over time treat the claim as indisputable.
                  So if we take a claim from you and treat it as indisputable, does that make it archscience?
                  Stepmania Development in action:

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                  • Arch0wl
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                    #10
                    Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                    you shouldn't do that but it'd just be broscience since I am in fact a bro

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                    • MinaciousGrace
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                      #11
                      Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                      ya but are you successful

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                      • Arch0wl
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                        #12
                        Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                        I mean, sexually

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                        • HeZe
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                          • Jul 2006
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                          #13
                          Re: How to Make Your Hands Faster, 3: the myth of "Bad for your Wrists"

                          I'll get masterous by touching myself with wrist weights on.

                          But really, good posts Archie! Today I did a crazy wrist workout. There are plenty of good ways to train your wrists in gym.

                          Originally posted by ilikexd
                          Your strengths and weaknesses may never change, but they will still get better as you do, albeit disproportionately of course. You're bad at jumpstream, so just play jumpstream files. Play them for hours. Play ones you have to struggle to SDG, and play ones hard enough to make your hands and arms burn. Then play them some more. Then, the day after the next, play them again. If you aren't already doing this, you can't say you're stuck. Plateauing doesn't really exist, if you aren't improving it means you haven't put in the effort needed to improve, or your effort has been misapplied. It's more of a problem at really high levels, but never totally concrete.

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