My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)

**Wayward Vagabond** · 09-8-2012, 09:42 AM

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i dont see what the problem is lol. combine them. argument against might be "if i do it for you i'll have to do it for everyone else" which is fine except who else has invested billions of points on alt accounts when they couldve just played on their main to begin with? not many i am sure.

but yeah **** the haters i got your back haku~!

**blindreper1179** · 09-8-2012, 09:45 AM

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In my opinion, with all that you do to help around here, I don't see a problem with it. We all make mistakes. You did it out of anger, and HAD to switch accounts for awhile. You definitely show that you understand why everything happened based on your actions. You have more than one other account? You understand those are just alts? That's obvious right there that your not trying to just boosted your GTS. There's been a few people to have exceptions for things. (Sprite and tibs getting a name change, carlos switching his shit over to his alt(new main?))

TLDR: Just give hakulyte his damn points already.

**Wayward Vagabond** · 09-8-2012, 09:49 AM

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the only thing that got switched over to my new main is my files because it was mandatory. cant have files on different accounts etc. other than that though i didnt get anything transferred over(oh yah vet status but im not the first or only)

**Strum** · 09-8-2012, 09:50 AM

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You should get it because honestly, I don't think anyone will disagree with you at this point.

Also you should get it as a birthday present.

**Hakulyte** · 09-8-2012, 10:08 AM

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lol, I have no right to request a "birthday present" from admins just because the date is convenient. It's really up to their discretion. The thing I'm actually curious with is how the rules are dealing with this specific case. A lot of people besides me got special background stories with their accounts and I do believe there is things like exceptions/second chances etc. as long as the person understand that what he/she did was wrong and work on fixing themselves. You don't just punish people for fun and see them regret forever, it's supposed to be more than that if the one who's wrong actually care. I think it's a good thread to talk about rules in general and where to place the line. I could write a 900 words essay about why I think my position is right and some people could probably do the same with the opposite stance. I'm just curious about what the staff and the members think of this with more details.

I did cheat, I did cross the line at least once, but I kept playing and I still like this game for what it is. I'm human too, I make mistakes, I would probably punch my old self in the face if I could go on a time machine. I don't have much to say besides what's already here.

**gold stinger** · 09-8-2012, 10:13 AM

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I wouldn't combine the scores if I were admin. While you have done plenty for the community and we all appreciate it, the fact remains is that it was considered an alt before getting blacklisted on your main, and then switching to it as your new main during the time of blacklisting. I would consider myself lucky that the second account wasn't banned by admins during the time of blacklisting, considering ban evade is also permanent now (Yeah, it's permanent. God knows why they only increase ban time when someone does it). Being able to play on a second account while being permanently banned and not getting caught imo was a privilege in itself and while they did unban you after a considerable amount of time because the admin left and you were still playing, shares the same kind of conclusion as to this thread as well. Why didn't the admins ban your second account when they saw it? Instead, they unbanned your main so that you could use it again because the admin that originally blacklisted you had left.

Of course that is if everyone follows protocol and I've been in the wrong hand like this as well. You've been on the site longer than me and lecturing rules and protocol does nothing because you probably would know it better than me. If I were in this particular position, I would have done what you have did right now, but considering what should have been done (according to current rules, they were probably different back then), the time that has passed since, and me not being around to actually experience you doing it....

It leaves me at probably a 50/50.
You gained the scores legitimately but you gained them during a time where you should have been banned.

**Pseudo Enigma** · 09-8-2012, 10:13 AM

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there is absolutely no reason for them to keep your accounts separated. I kinda find this whole situation BS. But that's just me. The only people who should actually have ANY problem with this is just #2 and #3 of the OvRanks.

**Wayward Vagabond** · 09-8-2012, 10:17 AM

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iirc haku apologized which is why he was able to play and post on his alt. thats how tass ran things back then and how im sure things run now. apologize for what you did and mean it and you'll be given a second chance

**ichliebekase** · 09-8-2012, 10:20 AM

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lulz, I think I know the admin that took your points away after someone else already gave them to you, but I'll keep that to myself.

I think you should get them combined, for all previous reasons stated. You understand that you made a mistake before and you've since tried (and succeeded in) helping the community ever since. You're a very friendly person and never seem to cause problems throughout the forums or profiles. (And it's your birthday for crying out loud, lulz.)

Give him the points, and hey admins, maybe then he'll stop bothering you about it!! ;]

EDIT: Krunky Says :

Personally, I knew about all the issues that happened with you Hak, and honestly I don't see any indication you are who you once were. You basically summarized it all up in your OP stating everything that you do on this site, and honestly it's more then enough to validate your change in personality since the blacklist. People do stupid things, people change, and imo as a good friend I believe, you have easily shown that you have changed and yes you should get these points combined.

As for the admins and this issues, of course it will be up to them ultimately, nothing we say here has any bearing on whether or not you get them combined. But, just a little piece of advice, you earn trust and loyalty. Haku did do something bad, but I think the years over it has shown that he is still a loyal member of this community and should be shown a little bit of praise for all that he does inside and out of FFR.

/my2cents

**gold stinger** · 09-8-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond

iirc haku apologized which is why he was able to play and post on his alt. thats how tass ran things back then and how im sure things run now. apologize for what you did and mean it and you'll be given a second chance

Considering that Haku did this, the main account should have been unbanned at the time of apology and there would have been no need to play on the second account. The scores from both accounts should be combined.

**TC_Halogen** · 09-8-2012, 10:25 AM

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I've heard of this being a conflicting issue within staff for quite some time now.

In any case, I do feel like the totals should be combined simply because you were given a reprieve from the same staff member that blacklisted you. With that being said: why are other staff members trying to control a situation that was already resolved?

Combine the scores, stop wasting time on a trivial issue, move on to something more important. Everyone already knows that Hakulyte is the player with the most points on the site, and I don't see why this would be a problem.

**MinaciousGrace** · 09-8-2012, 10:29 AM

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**Hakulyte** · 09-8-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by gold stinger

I wouldn't combine the scores if I were admin. While you have done plenty for the community and we all appreciate it, the fact remains is that it was considered an alt before getting blacklisted on your main, and then switching to it as your new main during the time of blacklisting. I would consider myself lucky that the second account wasn't banned by admins during the time of blacklisting, considering ban evade is also permanent now (Yeah, it's permanent. God knows why they only increase ban time when someone does it). Being able to play on a second account while being permanently banned and not getting caught imo was a privilege in itself and while they did unban you after a considerable amount of time because the admin left and you were still playing, shares the same kind of conclusion as to this thread as well. Why didn't the admins ban your second account when they saw it? Instead, they unbanned your main so that you could use it again because the admin that originally blacklisted you had left.

Of course that is if everyone follows protocol and I've been in the wrong hand like this as well. You've been on the site longer than me and lecturing rules and protocol does nothing because you probably would know it better than me. If I were in this particular position, I would have done what you have did right now, but considering what should have been done (according to current rules, they were probably different back then), the time that has passed since, and me not being around to actually experience you doing it....

It leaves me at probably a 50/50.
You gained the scores legitimately but you gained them during a time where you should have been banned.

The scores I gained on Etylukah got wiped too taking this into account, I re-AAA'd everything on Hakulyte for the third time starting from zero once again (that's also why I kept racking up GTS..). The staff changed over the years, the interpretation of rules seems to have slightly changed over time. The forum rules got updated fairly recently. People knew that Hakulyte was Etylukah, it's not something I was trying to hide, the fact that nothing happened or was never really questionned is probably because no one really tried to care in the first place. I'm actually lucky to be still here, but I'm also confused about what's going on now.

"Why didn't the admins ban your second account when they saw it? Instead, they unbanned your main so that you could use it again because the admin that originally blacklisted you had left."

That's just prove that admins doesn't all think the same way and that's truly confusing when you get into my situation. Since it feels like a "gray zone" where nothing is clear I'd rather try to get information like making this thread to see what people thinks and hopefully someone in staff also see this.

Originally posted by TC_Halogen

I've heard of this being a conflicting issue within staff for quite some time now.

In any case, I do feel like the totals should be combined simply because you were given a reprieve from the same staff member that blacklisted you. With that being said: why are other staff members trying to control a situation that was already resolved?

Combine the scores, stop wasting time on a trivial issue, move on to something more important. Everyone already knows that Hakulyte is the player with the most points on the site, and I don't see why this would be a problem.

Well, doing what you said would solve everything instantly, but it would also open requests along the lines of "Hakulyte got his GT combined, can you combine my GT too?" Of course they would need a complicated legitimate reason and not just "I made an alt because I wanted to play index on another account". It seems like I've been just piling up misunderstandings over misunderstandings to the point that I don't even know what to think myself. Of course I'd be happy to move on too since there is things that are way more important than this to deal with on the site, but I'm not the one taking decisions.

Originally posted by gold stinger

Considering that Haku did this, the main account should have been unbanned at the time of apology and there would have been no need to play on the second account. The scores from both accounts should be combined.

I had trouble to explain myself in an intelligent way at the time because I was too busy hating myself for being an idiot in the first place. By the time I made some sense over what I did, Tasselfoot already had left FFR. It sucks because because I was like a rival with him on FFR and we had fun on Kongregate and I even seen him recently on Thirdstyle. Sadly he also left Thirdstyle and I didn't had the chance to chat much with him about this. I don't really think he cares anymore, he just did what was right on the moment and I just failed to react properly.

**jprox445** · 09-8-2012, 10:36 AM

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I would see no problem with your GT back again.
I really don't know what else to say but, I'm in your full support

Edit: sorry that I'm not much help XD
I'm not a very good talker.

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