TWG Turbo 38: Africa Feeble:mind Metaphor Game Thread

**the sun fan** · 04-10-2025, 10:00 AM

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stop posting for the moment

**the sun fan** · 04-10-2025, 10:08 AM

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In the night...

XelNya has died. He was...

botchi246's cardflip has occurred. He was...

Day 1 will last 12 hours ending at 11 PM Central (Server) time Thursday, April 10th.

Day 1 begins now.

Players may make 12 posts in the following night phase, and XelNya make make 11 game-relevant deathposts.

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 11:23 AM

Re: TWG Turbo 38: Africa Feeble:mind Metaphor Game Thread

Originally posted by star-crossed

Unrelatedly, I was wondering if there is any reason to think wolves may have known about the card flip delays early. It was not supposed to have been public until that time, is all I know.

Ok I was misreading it as that we would not find out botchi's card until after Night 2 instead of after Night 1, so this is not really as relevant. And would have been much worse

**SubaruPoptart** · 04-10-2025, 11:45 AM

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Why'd y'all kill Xel

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:02 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 38: Africa Feeble:mind Metaphor Game Thread

Originally posted by _Zenith_

This nightpost rule is so weird, didn't even read his post correctly about them and having 22 of them lol

Star, you may not know me all too well and the way I play, but I am a serious d0 unenjoyer so getting me to care about a phase that hosts a minuscule amount of relevant information to solving the game is just simply not going to happen. I work with presentable content, not memes and greetings.

Also, I didn't vote at EoD because I simply was not present for the last like half hour of the phase, and I acknowledged I was busy here. I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned the possibility of no-lynch this phase, but I'm not too experienced with the pros/cons of doing that.

There was hardly anything to read and you guys still did not read it? 😂 That said I will take your word for it. I can see why it would be unexpected

It is true that I do not know you as well as some others. I tend to remember you as being analytical and a bit reserved or perpetually busy. So it stuck out to me slightly that you seemed relatively energetic early in d0 but then at the end came back and seemed so ambivalent.

If what you included in your post is all the time that you had, then it is all the time that you had. It is just, that late in the day the conversation was moving more in the direction of game-related things and you did not really comment on much of anything besides assuming that the 2-vote wagon was going to happen and kind of acquiescing to that.

Originally posted by _Zenith_

I like your big welcome back post, but one thing leaves me puzzled and perhaps you can answer; How do you actually make game-related conversations in d0 when everyone has no information to go off of? Are people supposed to immediate point fingers? Discuss roles? I don't understand the request to see more game-relevant conversation that doesn't have negative repercussions associated with it, or leads to wagoning. All you can hope for imo is as many interactions with different people as possible, for interactions that surround the lynch and their flip the next phase.

I also do not like d0, especially in turbos, to be fair. Unfortunately I am not that memey. I also often experience frustration about being in the position of having to make decisions with limited information and then that can get me into spats with people who experience d0 differently. Some things I personally try to do on d0 to try to help advance the game as quickly as possible are:
- Nitpick things a bit that at least seem like they have more potential to be indicative of somebody's alignment than anything else that has happened
- Ask questions to try to obtain more information about people's headspace
- Answer general questions and respond to people in order to try to generate more interactions, especially if they are relatively "game-related"
- Discuss setup-related items and attempt to steer the conversation such that it won't have negative consequences

Looking at it the opposite way, if everybody sits back and is d0 nihilistic, then I think the game is less enjoyable and it helps the wolves. I think collectively there could have been more effort d0 to advance the plot.

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:21 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 38: Africa Feeble:mind Metaphor Game Thread

Originally posted by _Zenith_

I'm a little surprised nobody mentioned the possibility of no-lynch this phase, but I'm not too experienced with the pros/cons of doing that.

So we started off with 9 people. Assuming there is not stuff that affects the kills* we have 4 opportunities to hang the wolves. If you do not vote for anybody d0, then you are losing an opportunity that you cannot get back unless something happens with the night abilities. This is at least a bit more likely to happen with it being a mystery game, but it is still risky and not very commonly done here. It was super common in Town of Salem because the roles were the focus there.

* e.g. 1-shot vig on either side, or kill stopping abilities

Then, there is also the standpoint that typically our analysis improves from d2 onwards when we at least have how the votes fell as a conversation point.

Also, to be honest, I have seen so many times people just not even bothering to submit their night abilities on this website that I cannot imagine ever wanting to give up the d0 vote off in order to put blind trust in people to actually DM sun fan on time. It is annoying too because the wolves get to remind each other and might even be allowed to submit on behalf of their afk other person, but town do not get the same luxury.

Originally posted by FreezinIce

I forgot no lynch was possible. Oooooooops

I was not aware this was something you would consider much?

Originally posted by mellon_collie

I like Zenith's post here, we share similar feelings about D0. and I like his questioning of star's big post and that he remembered no lynching. It's a bit weird he brings it up now and not before the lynch, though. If you were surprised that no one mentioned the possibility why not mention it yourself?

I also forgot no lynch was possible oops. IDK if I would have advocated for it but yeah definitely should have been a consideration. Didn't even think of it oopies

Can you explain what part of his questioning that you liked?

Originally posted by _Zenith_

Again, my apologies but I was away for the bitter end of EoD which doesn't look good in hindsight after mentioning the inactive lynch on botchi.

Not using this as a defense here but I'm not used to 12 hour phases and I misunderstood what that would be like but now I know a bit better

Do you think you will be more available today out of curiosity?

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by FreezinIce

I keep forgetting I have limited posts, and though I doubt I'll run up against the hard 22 post limit in any night phase, it does kind of go against my posting style

What I forgot to add is I'm curious why people assumed I was defending Subaru when in the context of that post it was more likely to be raeko, because she's the one who actually had posts. It was star and someone else who linked me to Subaru, not sure who it is atm but I'll reread later and find out

It was Xel yeah. I was reading the game first thing in the morning for me and I read it same as Xel but partly that may have been because of reading Xel's response quickly afterwards which I did not recall you correcting. It being about raeko does clear up the tone and I honestly think it makes you a bit less likely to be wolves with raeko

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by mellon_collie

Last game we had one of the wolves nailed day one (hateandhatred). We were pretty much all voting for him or intending to vote him. but bugkid made a "slip" where they said they rolled "vanilla wolf" when they meant vanilla town lmao. Pretty much everyone acknowledged that it was dumb and probably didn't mean anything, WE VOTED FOR BUG ANYWAY. I switched my vote at the last second to be the killing vote. The wolves ended up winning the game and while there were some other misplays, my misvote of Bug was a major deciding factor in the trajectory of the game. hateandhatred ended up making it to final 3 and winning ;_; I'M SORRY AGAIN BUG

Thank you for sharing

Originally posted by mellon_collie

Other than the obvious difference that one has checked the thread and one might not even know the game exists. There isn't much of a difference to me

My opinion on star's big post: for now I like it. I like seeing the effort and having something to respond to. Her reaction to the delayed flip seems genuine

But when I went to read it carefully to pick parts to respond to, other than the direct questions to me I didn't see much else that I could comment on. So it seems a little bit fluffy to me. Since Star is known for long/wordy posts she may have an incentive to write a long post even if she doesn't have many real thoughts on the game. But it's still very early so it could just be that.

I started preferring they/them over she just so you know but no apology needed.

My schedule is very not ideal for the game and so I do feel extra motivated to be as present as I can, which I think is exhibiting itself as more stream of consciousness some of the time, to try to better mimic what my reaction might have been if I had been there at the time I guess? Eh.

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by SubaruPoptart

N1 1/22

You're so real for that, I'd genuinely forgotten like y'all were talkin about. Despite reading the rules a billion times I still expected the phase to go til ~noon today since it started around then but I'm aware where I went wrong now. I was treatin the timing like a regular TWG.

Normally I'm a d0 enjoyer but I'd had only up to 2 or 3 pages for a while so I tapped out waiting for stuff to come in, then forgot to come back. Never really played a game with night messages like this either, it still is just even more boneless d0 as far as I'm concerned just not the way I thought it'd be.

I was makin a whole paragraph about botchi being able to have the 11 death posts and still bein able to help in death but I realized you gotta use em all the following phase. I fully believe they're town and I was thinking of it as a pretty decent confirmed role going into the rest of the game, but with this in mind not as much.

I've gotta re-read a whole bunch, just wanted to give a sign of life from what I was skimmin on the way here and what jumped out immediately.

Turbos are always 12/12 just so you know. It is the nightposting that is the only weird bit. Definitely need to get more from you than this so please keep going with the posting.

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by bugkid666

i agree but i also think star was pressed for time today

bugkid666

I really struggle to see how this is a genuine take. It just kind of reads to me like you are trying to sound like you are assessing things but failed? Feel free to expand on this but yeah.

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by SubaruPoptart

I was makin a whole paragraph about botchi being able to have the 11 death posts and still bein able to help in death but I realized you gotta use em all the following phase. I fully believe they're town and I was thinking of it as a pretty decent confirmed role going into the rest of the game, but with this in mind not as much.

Yo Xelicopter be advised

**SubaruPoptart** · 04-10-2025, 01:03 PM

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I prolly misread it twice as well. For some reason I thought botchi'd have em during D1 as if N0 wasn't immediately following D0 so I was on some bullshit.

**mellon_collie** · 04-10-2025, 01:20 PM

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sorry botchi ;_;

Wasn't expecting Xel to be killed... interesting. Don't really get that kill tbh unless this post is an attempt at distance and Subaru killed Xel for voting for them last phase lol

Originally posted by SubaruPoptart

Why'd y'all kill Xel

Originally posted by star-crossed

Can you explain what part of his questioning that you liked?

I thought it was consistent with his thoughts on D0 in general. It didn't seem like he randomly chose something to take issue with but was talking about something that fits with his overall view of the game in general which seems more genuine

**star-crossed** · 04-10-2025, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by mellon_collie

I thought it was consistent with his thoughts on D0 in general. It didn't seem like he randomly chose something to take issue with but was talking about something that fits with his overall view of the game in general which seems more genuine

I like this analysis from you and in general I think your recent posting is addressing the reservations I was having.

**XelNya** · 04-10-2025, 01:41 PM

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I get to make make ten more posts, so I'm just gonna play a nice, vote-free day.

Also, that night kill on me is spicy. The goals to make town direct at Freezin, Raeko, and Subaru. Which is fun.

By the way since I get to pass along game info, the reason Raeko was a meme-vote mention was:

1. Interaction bait.
2. She's so much more likely to be town bssed on her D0, a push there genuinely is silly, and it never happens. (On D0.)

My biggest question I guess that helps solve is: Freezin's post is worded in a cute technical way, where technically either Raeko or Subaru can be the subject, given they'd both already posted, but Freezin claims Raeko as the main subject of it.

Question there is do I perscribe malice to how that post was worded or not. Also if it helps, I completely read it as Botchi, as they'd posted as well originally.

It's very weird to be playing after i'm dead.

It's also different to say this but: if I need to clarify anything, ask away. I have quite literally zero incentive to lie. But I might respond slower till EOD to conserve posts.

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