TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:05 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Sorry, I didn't realize insta is on right now!!!!!

Help how do I unvote???

**bugkid666** · 02-22-2025, 08:05 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by roundbox

OK, fine, I'm going to put out this post I've been sitting on for a bit. I wanted to give H&H a chance, but here goes:

This was a question posed at bugkid. Bugkid never responded, but it doesn't seem like a lead H&H feels like pursuing since he isn't reposting this same question
I feel like this is a problem I have when wallposting as a wolf. I ask a question that I don't really care about and forget I asked it in the first place

if he didn't have 3 votes, I'd join in as the 4th for the present moment

yeah i feel like he didnt super care. i didnt respond because it felt like a throwaway question anyways. i didnt think it was worth explaining

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:06 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Actually this is fine, I'll leave my vote there for now; I thought we were 1 away and not 2!!!!

**mellon_collie** · 02-22-2025, 08:06 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

Sorry, I didn't realize insta is on right now!!!!!

Help how do I unvote???

same way you vote with [twgv] tags, but use the word "unvote" instead of the username

**bugkid666** · 02-22-2025, 08:13 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

is 4 insta or is 5 isnta? if it's 4 i will unvote hatred

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:13 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Leetic's posting here is just really towny, think the way they're trying to focus on keeping the thread on track is very solid/not what mafia would want to do here, especially with all the Weiss stuff; don't really want to drag that discussion out more, just assume I agree with everything Leetic said on that topic!!!

Also, Haku gets points for pulling out the specific wording regarding the Vengeful Spirit, that would have been rather unfortunate if we killed Weiss/they're actually the Vengeful!!!!

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:14 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by mellon_collie

same way you vote with [twgv] tags, but use the word "unvote" instead of the username

Solid, thanks!!!!

(I'll leave it on for now though, am fine with being 2 away when we're less than 2 hours away from EoD!!)

**bugkid666** · 02-22-2025, 08:15 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

genuinely unsure how i feel about a weiss vote but i think its not something a wolf would do for what its worth

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:16 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by MixMasterLar

I guess I don't have a good defense for keeping Hate alive but I don't know if I like it

I think if we're giving any underwhelming player a second phase it would be him

What makes you want to give him a second phase here? As in, what in particular has he posted that indicates that to you?

**bugkid666** · 02-22-2025, 08:18 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by bugkid666

genuinely unsure how i feel about a weiss vote but i think its not something a wolf would do for what its worth

i'll rephrase this by saying that voting weiss with the knowledge of the vengeful spirit is something i disagree with. voting weiss out itself feels like a towny sentiment, not something a wolf would necessary push for

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:19 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by bugkid666

genuinely unsure how i feel about a weiss vote but i think its not something a wolf would do for what its worth

Interesting, why so?

It's a bit of a copout vote to vote a 0-poster, which makes it easy for mafia to do and avoid pushing someone who will actually push back; that being said, town do do it too!!!

**roundbox** · 02-22-2025, 08:19 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

insta is not a good look, but we're safe for now

Originally posted by bugkid666

genuinely unsure how i feel about a weiss vote but i think its not something a wolf would do for what its worth

you shouldn't be thinking of a weiss vote

**Hateandhatred** · 02-22-2025, 08:27 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by bugkid666

i'll rephrase and say that i think its pretty unfounded to have any solid wolf leads right now. at best it's tentative speculation or "gray area" otherwise it looks like youre bussing. i see where you're coming from but i think i just have a different perspective on straight up reading someone wolf d0

I find it interesting that you're straight up talking about bussing when nobody else did. I mean, I do agree with you and I find you to be pretty towny overall, and I share your way of thinking when it comes to d0. But still, are you worried about doing that yourself, or do you not worry at all about how it might be perceived because you have little reason to?

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

When I say wagoned people should generally be voting the counterwagon at EoD, it's under the assumption that both people are in the general PoE; sure the counterwagon could be town, but it helps to narrow it down!!

That being said, if we ensure everyone is voting someone at EoD regardless, then that's also a perfectly fine way to ensure that we at least get the shot off somehow/it doesn't get lost, and it's fine to ignore this!!!

So you're just saying what I was saying if everyone is voting... I was just extra concerned because blues being confirmed towns is valuable and didn't initially realize they wouldn't know themselves, even though the OP is very obvious about it. It's my bad and it was a complete brainfart.

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

General question: does Hate usually tend to take like, 2 hours to type up a response multi-quote like he did here?

If yes, then okay we'll move on; if not, it does feel like he was a little frozen here!!

That being said, I don't want to go to him being mafia if he's just really slow at typing!!!

Originally posted by mellon_collie

I don't recall Hate taking this long in the past. He does make wall posts but usually they aren't this spread apart. Maybe someone with better memory than me can chime in here

I literally used to play on a PS Vita so it was way worse in the past, like circa 2017. I'm not very quick to gather my thoughts on this game in general, and I was also multitasking with college stuff (primarily sending my payment information to the government so I can get a fkn student loan already)

Originally posted by bugkid666

unfortunately much of this is meta reads which i know isnt super helpful

most to least towny
mellonxcollie - (admittedly i am very bad at reading raeko, i can't differentiate her wolf/town games)
MML - seems to be perpetuating good conversation in a productive way towards a common goal, approaching things from genuine reaction rather than a systematic way like a wolf might
haku - seems to be commenting on things in a realistic way, not trying to sway people but just voicing their honest opinions. seems towny
ara - not super sure, more gray area but leaning town
leetic - null, not really sure what to think but leaning towards town. just not used to playing with someone that aggressive out the gate (not inherently a bad thing)
rb - see what mml posted and that set off some flags for me. roundbox i also find hard to read and i've been pocketed by him before for simply agreeing with me, so i'm wary
hateandhatred - something about his walls of reactions seems very performative. not willing to give out much of his opinions without commenting on someone elses' first (ie it's easy to look like youre accomplishing something when you do this). not inherently wolf behavior but its more than i can say for anyone else

???
weiss

unfairly, i am nervous to play with sunfan or star lol

d0 reads lists, not happening from me this phase and it never has unless something insane happened. I can still react to yours though

I have no idea how you have raeko over MML here. I think MML is way too useful and proactive to ever lynch today. I do think he's usually a bit more aggressive as town with players, but come on, he's still engaging with everyone and working to town's interest. Obviously he's just very experienced with ffrtwg (speaking of which, how many of you guys come from other twg/mafia communities? It seems like it's most of you) and that's not alignment indicative, but I want him around this phase unless he says something unbelievably sus. Raeko is helpful but like you said, she's playing her usual game, and while I don't want to vote her either, I feel like that alone makes her more of a ??? we would want to see solved.

You say haku seems towny for commenting and not trying to sway people, and that gets him third on your list? why?

leetic and roundbox being where they are is fair, but you have haku above them because ???

As for me, well I frankly can't really help it but shrug, I'm barely catching up to the conversation. I'm gonna be around for the rest of the day and try to get involved better, but as you said yourself, it's fucking d0

**leetic** · 02-22-2025, 08:28 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by bugkid666

i'll rephrase this by saying that voting weiss with the knowledge of the vengeful spirit is something i disagree with. voting weiss out itself feels like a towny sentiment, not something a wolf would necessary push for

If there's a wolf in you/Hate/Ara I could see it being done as a way of expanding the PoE. Remember, wolves ideally want the main wagons to be t/t to minimize their chance of being shot in the night. That all depends on how certain players flip though

**Arapocalypse** · 02-22-2025, 08:29 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by roundbox

A vote for Weiss is a wasted vote since host will probably off him

Glad Haku answered H&H's PoE question after so long
I feel like people missed that part of his wallpost. It was like the second post he reacted to, lmao.

I don't think bug's post is a slip. I like their explanation of being more careful with their posts if they had rolled a wolf, and the town version of them just hitting the hay. Haku being willing to join MML on Ara tells me they're not really feeling confident about bug being a hit.

I think I'll be able to make a guess on H&H in a couple of posts. I don't see the performative element at this point, but I feel like I could lean town or wolf instead of pegging him as neutral.

Returning to this post as I want to better voice my roundbox thoughts: it's just... the general tone and approach simply feels like they're actively trying to nail down the shape of the thread/game in a way that feels towny, essentially!!!! To borrow their term, doesn't feel performative/feels very matter-of-fact, this is how things are/taking steps towards solving the game for town/that type of thing!!

(That being said yes, keeping in the back of my mind that they could be sane mafia here as technically there's nothing here that makes me feel strongly that they're town, like what I've put down from leetic/MixMasterLar for instance; leaning just town here, though!!!)

TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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