El Paso and Dayton Shootings (SERIOUS TOPIC)

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i think gun control is good, but like sanjixcon i don't like it when people say that guns are bad

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Right now, all I have is a knife, not that I think it would do me any good, but I have considered getting a gun. Briefly. Solely for the reasons that I think Xel purchased his.

Its a scary world; I can't fault someone for buying a weapon for the reasons Xel has. I know statistics suggest that you're significantly more likely to shoot yourself or someone you care about than you are to shoot someone who intends to do you or your family/friends harm, but owning a gun for those reasons still seems to me like it provides the most peace-of-mind.

The US is absolutely, entirely, completely beyond fucked up when it comes to guns and access to guns and obtaining a gun as easily and readily as possible and fuck you if you ask someone what they're going to do with it. An interesting bleak outlook on the world is whether or not you think the United States will significantly bring down the mass shooting numbers before Florida ceases to become a U.S. state because its entirely underwater.

So, between just putting any kind of concern out of mind that this could happen to me or anyone I care about and owning a pistol "just in case," I completely understand why someone would want to have that 2nd option.

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For stopping the shootings, there's absolutely nothing that the United States will consider doing within the next 15-20 years that will stop these events from happening. And 15-20 years is extremely, extremely optimistic. These events are not going to stop until the public does not have access to these kinds of weapons that can unload a large number of rounds in a short amount of time. And the United States is not even close to reaching a point where its even possible to consider this change happening.

A large part of this, I believe, stems from America's obsession with the Constitution. The founding fathers themselves could not have predicted the shelf-life that we've slapped onto that document, yet here we are, 300+ years later, still thumping our tables to the guarantee that the government will not quarter soldiers in the homes of civilians in times of peace.

Things have to change in a big way for America to stop being such an eyesore to the rest of the world. I think it would be beyond drastic, and my views on how this would happen are nowhere near feasible, but I think we need an entirely new basis for what America gets its values from before anything can change. We're stuck in the past because we have an obsession with a document that has outlived its purpose, only in letter.


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I see this said often, and I agree that loosely-organized crime and above will definitely do this for years after America fixes its gun problem, if it ever does, but you mean to tell me that these mass shooters will get their hands on automatic weapons illegally to carry out these crimes?

I have nothing other than my intuition telling me that the harder you make it for people to do something, the less people will do it. Certainly, some people will still do it. But the number of mass shootings has to go down if you make it harder for people to get their hands on these kinds of weapons.

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I still don't know any relevant facts, because nobody talks about them
I know the shooter was a white kid
I know he had an "ak-47 style gun"
And I know 29 people were killed in two different places
Where did he get the gun
What kind of gun is it
Where did he get ammo
Did he share his plans with anyone?
Etc
None of this is being talked about so how do you expect to fix a problem without any context of the problem?

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Not all of the facts have been discovered yet, when they're released we can talk about those too. But why not talk about stuff we already know?

I know he shared a manifesto on 8chan, minutes before he started shooting. Which is another drop in the bucket as to why 8chan is a shithole that should be burned to the ground.

sunfan coming in with the money shot

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I've heard of 8chan
That place shouldn't exist for several reasons

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do they have a mafia community

yeah, it will go down, but by how much? relative to the determination it takes to commit mass murder, how much would it take to illegally buy a gun?

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No

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you would think the fact that 8chan exists only because users were mad about 4chan banning child pornography would be enough reason to nuke it from orbit

but nope, 8chan was only dropped by Cloudflare because they're going public in a month

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my intuition (which I know isn't anything, I'm not trying to solve this issue just giving my hot takes) says that these people probably don't have the connections/funds needed to illegally buy a weapon like that

that shit is gonna be hella expensive on the black market, so probably it would go down by a significant amount

my bigger problem comes from people keeping their weapons because they believe the government can go to hell for trying to take away their weapons

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yeah, at this point i don't have much but my intuition also, but my intuition says the opposite would occur :P

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I'm just curious why the shooter is always a young white male

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There is a trade off on everything. Statistics aren't something I'm versed in well enough to argue, which is why I made my posts based on my own emotions.

We can sit here and argue statistics and the logical approach all day, and I am very certain we'd arrive at the conclusion that guns are more bad than good. There are going to be people who make horrible use of something. You can only try to stop it if it's in your physical means of doing so.

But as someone who is never winning a physical encounter with my own physical strength, and wit alone, I'm happy that I have access to something like a weapon. It's a comfort and I'm responsible about it.

The shorthand is that everyone is arguing just logic and are allowing maybe just fear to dictate their choice. A responsible owner is going to keep it in a way that won't harm someone unless needed, and that's how I intend to be. I'm not gonna walk around waving the fucking thing, most people won't know it's there.

Shootings suck, fuck those people.

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This is how I feel, I am smol weak little man also

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White People™

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how so?
I don't see how that is feasible