jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread

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MN I see you reading the fucking thread

just

post please

I beg you

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Running out of time before I have to leave for work

@Raeko you got anything cool and new to say?

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What I really want to see before EoD today is interactions between Antori, Dragonmega, Shyyoshiguy and Raeko. Like, not just answering my or goldstinger's questions. Actually interacting with each other.

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i mean he'll still do it anyway xD

i dont read the bigger posts i just glance over them, yes i think dragon is still a good vote to my knowledge they haven't done anything to prove me otherwise
list of things that prove me otherwise:
-reads
-voting

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I'm not gonna contest to gs leading the game tbh, I don't see him being wolf. He is gonna have to do something big for me to start wolf reading him

Don't you think other people might have some good points against other players though? The bigger posts are worth reading too, in fact I think it's more likely that people will mess up in bigger posts so you have to be thorough in these games.

People do need to provide a defense for themselves, but just saying "prove me otherwise" isn't enough to qualify a good vote

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Also I think sanzath's string of posts is mostly towny based on tone, I like his enthusiasm for the game and his frustration about people not posting seems genuine. I'd think a wolf would be more happy about a null game state

The fact that he is SO defensive toward gold stinger is a little bit worrisome and does look like overreacting based on how far away eod is and how many people even seem interested in following on that push at this point. but this could just be mixing with his frustration at the lack of activity

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so I'm doing this right now but something too glaring just stood out to me

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT OUR POSTS THERE BUD

do our jokes and shitposts really mean so little to you

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Would you mind explaining how exactly this post convinced you to vote for him?

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ok

keep in mind here that shadow is wolf

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I did say before that I think he may have planted that there as a failsafe in case he did end up getting lynched, since he did have votes at the time he posted that. That would stand to make me look pretty wolfish.

K I just reread everything thats happened this morning. Time to try to start finding quotes.

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I mean it's worked pretty well so far considering that that's been one of the main points against me so far this day, with not too much else to back it up.

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Antori

Im putting this here for now. I didnt vote last time, and I think not voting two days in a row would be a waste.

I think reading that heavily into that one part of Shadow Gods post is just kind of ignoring what anyone else is saying, and I feel like you might just be hoping everyone else is into it enough to get me lynched and maybe give you another night.

I could be wrong, but I need to at least try to act instead of stand idle all day.

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GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.

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hiya

Yesterday, instead of sleeping I was thinking about this whole thing. I promise I will make a reads list before the end of the day in case I get killed.

Right now, I'm trying to shift my thinking to mechanics, and this is affecting the way I post. As I was falling asleep, my mind was going adrift and I had a bunch of ideas. I'll list them in 3 separate posts, I hope they make as much sense now as they did to me yesterday.

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Thought #1 : A dead wolf's reads list

Because of the number of wolves in this game, this reads list from Shadow_God_10 is the only opportunity we will have at looking into a confirmed wolf's mind (before the end of the game):
Before we read into this list, we must determine what was Shadow_God_10's as he was posting it.

Before we do, some facts:
* The list was posted 5.75 hours before his lynch
* At the time of his post, the votes were:


Was Shadow_God_10 trying to save his own skin?
Surely. Reads look good in general, and he was probably hoping either H&H and/or I would remove our votes on him. The votes on him at that point weren't based on deep arguments: H&H voted right out of the gates, and I voted Shadow_God because his tone seemed "off" (aka nothing concrete, I wanted him to post just to get a better idea of his tone). In theory, the vote switch could have happened: H&H's vote for Shadow_God was during his 3rd post, which was the 5th post of the entire game. I believe H&H is the only one who aimed at the same person for the entirety of d0, so Shadow_God was probably hoping H&H would "be reasonable" and do like everyone else, which is to move their vote around. As for me, I switched votes a lot during d0, so Shadow_God was probably still feeling rather safe. I think the only point at which he felt in danger is when he posted
just 1h10m before the deadline, at which point he went after gold stinger, probably thinking "There's no way I'm getting through this by arguing, so I'll use votes instead".
Was Shadow_God_10 trying to shift blame?
What I think: Probably. He did list me as wolf. Unless I'm mistaken, the only other person who had me as a wolf lean was Hateandhatred. I think Shadow_God was trying to get a bus rolling, but it never worked.

The other wolf leans Shadow_God had in his list were Yoshi and Antori.

Shadow_God and Antori: They had a bit of back and forth, with Antori's defense only being
And for some reason this was automatically satisfactory for Shadow_God, who went on to pressure Yoshi right after.

Sanzath actually pointed at this interaction:
I agree that it feels odd, kind of like "there and done". No one else had the time to step into that interaction.

Shadow_God and Yoshi: Still null, no interaction at all from what I can see.


Was Shadow_God_10 protecting his wolf partner?
That's the million dollar question... Since he was "wolf leaning" me, I'm tempted to say that, yes, he was protecting his partner. He made this list 5.75 hours before getting lynched, hence he probably did not expect to die. He must have felt relatively safe. He either posted this list and expected his problems to go away, or he expected to die (!?) and posted this list to throw us off on d1.

Was Shadow_God_10 trying to create/join a bandwagon?
I think what was going on in Shadow_God_10's mind was what he could create a "tie" by voting for Gold Stinger. In fact, that's what he attempted 30 mins before the lynch, but because GS was able to shift his vote, Shadow_God perished. Shadow_God could have chosen dragonmegaXX or Hateandhatred (Sanzath had a vote on H&H at that point), but Shadow_God opted for GS for some reason. I believe this was a bad decision on Shadow_God's part, because
* In my opinion, GS was much more convincing as a town during d0 than dragonmegaXX. The reason Shadow_God gave for voting GS was:
(of course, he never came back)
* If dragonmegaXX is the wolf, Shadow_God could have taken the opportunity to distance himself from the wolf, or possibly even take credit for their lynch.

While I have my reasons to say it was a bad play, Shadow_God was probably not being careless. Do the points above suggest Shadow_God had an agenda when posting for GS?

-> If GS and dragonmegaXX were both town: Shadow_God should have voted for dragonmegaXX. It would have been much easier for him to start a bandwagon and would have probably spared his life. He should have known dragonmegaXX is not active and hadn't cast a single vote at that point, making it a smaller risk.

-> If GS is wolf: Shadow_God would be pulling a reverse psychology on us. This would mean that GS is a freaking alpha wolf for being the final nail in the coffin of his partner. This play is way too risky in my opinion. I list it here for completedness, but I don't see this happening.

-> If dragonmegaXX is wolf: Shadow_God's only way to escape elimination is to vote for the only other town in the lynch pool. Seems more probable than GS as wolf.

?? What if Shadow_God had voted for Hateandhatred? That would have been the worst case scenario for towns at d1, because there would be no new information to extract (both are dead).


My takeaway:
- This makes dragonmegaXX and Antori look bad.
- Yoshi comes out 100% Null. Again. And I don't like that.