Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

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Most don't have FFR permission of course (edit - I realize you probably mean keeping them on their engines, never mind). But there is little or no QA in uploading to an alternate engine, so it would not be appropriate to use them without them being judged first.

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Serious post:

- the last five tournaments have required internal files, and asking them to not be used is just begging for a stand-still to happen. hi19 and ilikexd, you both know the pain that I went through contacting you guys, back and forth in the last two tournaments just to make ends meet. Tiebreakers last tournament absolutely did not help.

- judgment as far as I can see/tell, is completely at a standstill and will remain that way until new judges get on board. I don't agree with everyone sitting here and saying that nothing is happening on that end, because actually does not seem to be the case. The effort to get new judges has started, and that is measurable progress.

- I do agree with an earlier point in that the official tournament is best played during the summertime; initial signups are higher and dropouts are lower in the tournaments that are played during the summertime, which is why both the 9th and 10th official tournaments had lower signups and higher dropouts -- they were both played in the fall and winter. Jae's 7th official tournament, despite the mishaps, had really high signups and high user response because it was playable during a more convenient time.

- The community needs to stop expecting so many luxuries (yes, they are luxuries). All fresh content is great for the community, but the fact of the matter is that it is not sustainable, and might not be sustainable unless things really shape up with getting people that are qualified, on board for content judgment.

My actual two cents; hopefully this serious post doesn't get lost in the muck of me being a douchebag beforehand.

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If you use files already in-game, is there a chance that some of them are token files?

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I would think for the purpose of accessibility, that it wouldn't happen that way unless it can be confirmed that all users in a given round all have that same token.

(Either that, or a painstaking process of unlocking the tokens temporarily can be done as well, I suppose.)

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I don't know what you mean by "last"

Maybe this is out of context, but this confuses me.

What means internalizing files?

Now... that's just mean, really.

I don't know what you think you're explaining, but I am totally clueless about what issues you are stating here. I really wish this could be explained from the perspective of people who haven't been active on the site for years. I've been here four years, I hardly know any of you, and I probably don't understand how this site is run.

I don't think many of the people here can make informed decisions, and therefore probably shouldn't be making the decisions, and you're getting mad at, what appears to be simple ignorance.

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To make things a bit simple and less jaded, I'll explain it clearly.

- The current queue right now is down to 29 files. This seems like a lot, but this number is severely dwindled from what it was before, because the batch of judgments has been stalled for quite some time due to judge inactivity. Because of this, the game management team on the batch side opened up judgment applications to get new simfile judges to potentially fill in the void caused by numerous judges retiring.

- The judgment situation has actually been stalled for a while. The concept of adding judges to the team was something that was mentioned multiple times (we're talking back far enough to when I had just barely taken game management), but it never came to fruition. While there is progress, we don't know exactly how long it will take to not only complete the acquisition of simfile judges, but also to get enough of them to the point where a batch can be completed and the high-quality files extrapolated.

- Internalizing files is basically intaking files without going through the formal batch process. Files have been internalized in the official tournaments since the 6th official, because it is exceptionally difficult to fill all slots through conventional means. In almost all cases, the missing files were near the end of a high-level division, although the 10th official was anomalous in that internal files were used over multiple divisions in random spots.

- I will not withdraw what I said about the community being spoiled, because that is my personal opinion and I have stated that multiple times with regards to divisions as well, but that is well outside of the scope of this discussion. The community needs to realize that at this current moment, content is at a crippling low with no potential fallback. Utilizing all new files for a tournament requires 56 brand new files minimally, not assuming any fallback for the numerous potentials for tiebreakers, and the fact that you're going to want to have content to release immediately afterward when the song is over. FFR went four weeks without a single song due to my negligence once before, but I actually did have songs available to turn things around thanks to batch timing. This is looking a bit more dangerous and potentially long lasting if things don't turn up soon.

EDIT:
Not going to refer what I tactlessly responded to Gradiant as "simple ignorance."

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hey hey, halogen agrees with me or... do I AGREE WITH HIM?!?!? *dum dum dum*

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Oh god, internalizing sounds awful! Screw the official, we need to stop internalizing!
(This isn't sarcasm, I'm serious!)

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I was talking about t.c. saying his Bullshit

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He's not part of staff anymore, apologies. That's why I thought it was towards me.

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New files are a win-win situation for everyone, players who get new files to play, the steppers who get to add more of their work into the game and the tournament staff who get to host a fancy-smancy tournament. If this means the official is delayed a few months then that's a fair trade off in my book.

I think that Hi19 has a point that if already released files were used it'd basically in essence be a glorified user tournament. You'd also get the people crying about such and such file being picked isn't fair and blah blah blah.

But whatever, we'll all gonna play regardless of how it pans out.

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It's no problem, my apologies as well. I didn't specify who I was talking to.

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Honestly if it's only one tournament a year, New files make the field even, it's worth the wait.

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if it takes a bit longer to get files in, the world isn't going to end. we just appreciate that the staff take into account what the community thinks on the situation.

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honestly i feel like new songs make the official tournies more special. not only is it "oh hey! cool new songs!" but it also puts everyone on a more even playing field, since while nobody knows what the songs will be, they will have practice playing them before hand. But this does not mean that it HAS to be all new songs. i think it would be cool if we started off with old songs that everyone knows and as the tourny progresses we get more and more new songs. where the last rounds especially are all new songs. not only is it hype for last rounds, but hype for new songs as well. i personlly think this would be one of the best compromises for the lack of songs situation.
the other alternative is to get more people to step more awesome songs god damn it!