Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

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I've never liked using internal batches, I hate it. Unfortunately it's been the only way to successfully do all new songs for all rounds thus far. The batches just don't get the varying range of difficulties we need.


Like no offense at all to the people who have contributed to filling in slots because they're awesome for saving our butts, but it would be cool to get a better mix of simfile artists during tournaments. Someone needs to help fill in the easier side so it's not always Silvuh, lol.

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There had been some complaints that all new files for the tournament heavily biases the release of hard files, like the latest tournmanet required 5 new 90+ files ... 15 files in the 80s, 11 in the 70s, 9 in the 60s, 8 in the 50s, and only 13 files in the lower half of the difficulty spectrum. Although I can understand why the lower divisions may be more comfortable with old files and the highest division may need more new files, doing that would skew the graph of new tournament file difficulties even more.

Another argument has been that too many files already in-game is discouraging for new players who see that huge list and don't feel like they can play everything. Then pointing new releases toward later rounds and higher divisions would just put even more hard files in-game that newer players don't have the ability to do well on, which would be even less encouraging for them, I'd think.

I agree that the final rounds should need all new files, because winning shouldn't have to be dependent on an old mindblock. New files for every prize round ... Well, that's several more rounds, so it's not such a clear "yes".

I do like the idea of changing the elimination structure to keep more players involved for a longer portion of the tournament. Like, the final rounds could be 16 -> 7 -> 4 -> 1. Decrease the number of prize rounds by 1 and we could still do 8 rounds to keep more people in at the start.

Lots of good points in the thread, but I really agree with this.

I don't think we need all new files every round, but sprinkling a few in there will help keep things interesting. Doesn't really need to be structured if every division gets around the same number of new files. I think forming a good tournament through file choice should be the top priority (good difficulty progression and variety in patterns), and if we can't do it with all new files, we should mix in as many old files as we need to.

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I'm not saying this is an immediate solution. If we took the three songs that are released roughly each week and saved them up for an entire year (the official tourney is annual right? I might be mistaken), that's like 150 songs. On the long term, if the team started filing away songs for the tournament really early, then there could be all new songs. But yeah, as far as an immediate solution, it's just not possible, given what you've told me about the state of things.

I promise, I had no intention of insulting the efforts of the judgement team. I do apologize for how what I said came across. I'm saying, take the same amount of songs that were released this year and put as many as possible into the tournament. "There's no shortage of songs" was the wrong way to word that. :/

Ideally we can mix up the songs so that there is a balance of the different skillsets, but what your saying makes total sense. If we had all the songs to pick from, maybe we could make a better tournament. That said, I can't help but think of the inevitable, when someone has been playing a song for weeks, and that song just happens to be picked for the official tournament. Song variety is something we can fix in the long run by getting more awesome people behind this site, but allowing any number of players to have practiced the tournament songs beforehand just breaks it for me. I don't think it's something we should compromise on.

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you have no idea what you're talking about

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Probably true, lol, but I tried to fix that statement just above.

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My post probably came off more mad than it should have, haha. I'm a blunt person most times, sorry. But I mean everyone has access to all files at all times so really there's no advantage to just one person. Knowing the official is coming up people can look at the typical file range and start practicing in those ranges the songs that are on the list. Everyone can do it, so really there's no advantage to one single person.

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d7 = 7 new files
d6 = 6 new files
d5 = 5 new fiels
etc...

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First of all, thank you for not being super pissed at me, lol. I really don't know how judgement works tbh, but I'd like to know. Anyways:

I still say there is an advantage to be had. One person is going to be lucky enough to pick the right song to practice a lot, whether it be just casually replaying the song they like, or if there was a user tournament with that song in it.

If you're saying that people practicing the songs beforehand is okay, then why not level the playing field completely and just release the tournament songs early? I know that's a bit of a slippery slope argument, but this switch to using new songs was made for a reason right? I mean, the timeline for each round is pretty short, meaning all of the memorization that goes into each song is super important.

Maybe I take this site a little too seriously sometimes, but dang, like, we had cash prizes last year! I want these tournaments to be 100% rock solid, e-sport level of integrity.

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I wanted to play a bunch of old files I'd just join/run a user tournament.

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I kinda started the trend with new files with the first official I ran when the site returned. I had been doing it on dragonsfury while the site was down and though it was a cool idea so I kept with it. Now we're facing 7 different divisions over 8 rounds which is a lot of files to fit perfectly.

The judgement process isn't normally like this, it just hit a really unfortunate time where a lot of the people who had been judges had to move on to different things putting it behind. It's being worked on, but it's going to take time. The time it will take will push the tournament back fairly significantly I think, which is why I brought this up.

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This thread was made to give a heads up/look for ideas to resolve a problem we're facing. Comments like this are not helpful nor necessary. There's 29 files in queue currently, please tell me how to make this work so I can have all new files for the tournament. I'm trying my damndest to get people to judge. Do you have some time to hop on and help out? We have 4 doing one group now from the backed up stuff.

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Probably the quick interpretation of what I said except maybe make D1 and D2 both have a minimum of two new files.

like for D2 maybe make it rounds like 5 and 8

but for D1 rounds 7 and 8 would be best?

Stuff like that. My concern is more about where they're placed. (Not saying Kayla doesn't know how to do this, because honestly she'd have a better grasp of this than me by miles I imagine.)

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I'm going to do the best I can for new content, I promise you guys that. I just don't know how possible it is without major delay.

So I guess it comes down to how much people would prefer it to be in the summer and possibly have some old stuff. Or wait until it can be fully filled.

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Don't do them then? Announce special batch specifically for harder and easier files ahead of time rather than last minute, and if we do end up needing a few files left let it publicly be known so everybody can try to fill those in rather than asking the same 3 people that usually get their files in this way.
And what's wrong with this? It seems like more focus is being put on getting the tournament to happen as soon as possible rather than making sure it's the best it can be (sorry if this sounds rude). There is nothing wrong with the tournament happening in September if it means the tournament will go well. It went fine last year, only reason I think people could complain if I remember correctly was that it was announced early and then kept getting postponed. Simply just announce the official when you guys are ready for it to actually happen.
Pretty much this, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this statement.

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- you guys are all assuming that the current queue is going to last
- you guys are all assuming that the judgment situation is going to be resolved before the queue runs out
- you guys are forgetting the amount of files it takes to be accepted, and if we're avoiding internalizing files, you will never get the files you need

true story: the tournament will never happen with 100% unique content with FFR being in the current state

stop being spoiled and take what you can get