Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Air itself isn't immediately visible to the naked eye, but it is empirically measurable; we can definitively identify its physical existence using proven scientific principles.

The same cannot be said of "spirit and gods".

Don't bring your "omg u cant see air just lik u cnt see GOD" ideas 'round these parts.

ps granadia, you still suck for seeming to make the argument that nothing is worthy of being "true" unless we hear it from the source.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Ok, what happen when you put paper in fire.
He came in sender.
But the paper always exist in a sense, but in sender.
Take this example on the spirit of a human.
What happen after the spirit of a human die.
Nothing?

<< Rien ne se pert, Rien ne se cree, mais TOUT se transforme>>
Think at this.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

I'm sorry, I don't comprehend?

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

look, one other example:
Music : music don't really exist, but what made rap?
Its jazz and blues: mean, nothing its lose, but all upgrade.
Same with spirit.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

The site he linked to makes a distinction between hearsay and an eyewitness account, which is a pretty important one: an eyewitness account comes from someone who's actually seen something, whereas a hearsay account comes from someone who was told about it by someone else. So, if someone says they have been to New York, it's an eyewitness account - if you trust the person not to lie to you, you will believe New York exists. According to the website, none of the texts from the period which mention Jesus were written by people who actually saw him in action. The site claims that even the Gospels were written by people who not only never saw Jesus, but don't even know anyone who saw Jesus! When the author has that much remove from the person he's writing about, the work just isn't evidence anymore - even if the author always tells what he thinks is the truth, anyone down the line could have fabricated parts of the story (or all of it!).

But if you don't think a human has a spirit then it does not have to go anywhere. Some people believe that the mind and personality of a dead person is somehow encoded in the brain, so that the 'spirit' decomposes just like the rest of the body.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

It's yours idea.
We can have all a idea.
I don't disappoint you.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Djr, you need to work on your communication skills. The is an English forum, and one in which effective and clear communication of ideas is incredibly important.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

You know that I do my possible.
But I coming more a more good I think.
Sorry.
I can just shut up to.
Just let me know.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

i like where djr is going, i wish he had better english. I am catholic, i believe in god, but i also question whether we actually exist there is no proof we actually exist, nothing can ever prove we exist. What if our whole life was a dream, a really detailed dream. Then everytime wee fall asleep the person who is dreaming us wakes up. Nothing really exists which is why some things just don't seem to make sense. If someone can prove that I am real i would love to see it.

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You are real because you are conscious. Because you can see, think, and feel, you are real. It doesn't matter if you are someone's dream or not because regardless, you are conscious.

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i don't know about you, but in my dreams people are able to move and talk to me. There really is no way to prove life. Dreams can seem as real as "life", doesn't mean i can live under water or whatever happened in my dream. What if nothing really ever happened and this is "heaven". just because we can see, think, and feel doesn't give life. Only in this "world" it does. Think about it. What could happen when we die, its like we never existed, if we really ever did. I see no proof in life, or god. I live "life" and i have faith in god. Nothing is real nothing is fake. You can never prove something really exists

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You can't actually say that about someone else. You can only say that about yourself, but since you are not anybody else, nobody else should necessarily feel obliged to believe you.

No individual has any truly complete basis for concluding anything other than solipsism.

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Yeah that's kinda what meant. I was more trying to say was that whether or not we are are "real" it doesn't matter because this is the only form of consciousness we can be guaranteed so for all intents and purposes, from our collective points of view, we are real. Whether or not you all are "real" or figments of my (or others') imagination is irrelevant, from my perspective.

Re: Why religion isn't under the same amount of scrutiny?

Many parts of the New Testament are said to have been written by some of Jesus's disciples. What makes this "hearsay" rather than "eyewitness"?

And what of the other claimed official records that devonin has mentioned and that I myself have heard of before? I know that many elements of his story are unbelievable, but is it that hard to believe that a man named Jesus, despite being the son of a carpenter, traveled the countryside preaching a new take on moral ideals?

Never heard the phrase "cogito ergo sum"?

"I think therefore I am."

Your subjective reality is defined by your own existence. Existence is defined by your subjective perspective. "To exist" is what your own self is. Actually, I'm not very good at describing this. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum

Moreover, if everything was a "dream", that would be a foundational component of reality. If Reality is a Dream, that doesn't mean that the real of this "dream" is no longer real, because reality itself would be the dream.

ps this thread is not about questioning the "realness" of reality. This thread is for questioning why religion is not held to the reasonable standard that science is. Get back to the pointing out how illogical religion is plz

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what if this statement was only made to make us believe we are real.