Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

[GG_Guru]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

Rubix you're like half japanese.

[MrRubix]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

More like 100% pure cracker

[GG_Guru]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

More like crackanese.

[Ghakimx]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

Haikus are harder in Japanese since each consonant is always followed by a vowel. English is easier, since of course most words don't rhyme or are pronounced differently.

Here's a haiku I made in 20 seconds flat:

Travel to Japan
Pick up bilingualism
It shall be useful

Yeah, I didn't know you were into Japanese stuff, Rubix.

[dore]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

Haiku in English is a development of the Japanese haiku poetic form in the English language.

Contemporary haiku are written in many languages, but most poets outside of Japan are concentrated in the English-speaking countries.

It is impossible to single out any current style, format, or subject matter as definitive. Some of the more common practices in English include:

* Use of three lines of up to 17 syllables;
* Use of a season word (kigo);
* Use of a cut or kire (sometimes indicated by a punctuation mark) to implicitly compare two images.

The typical length of haiku appearing in the main English-language journals is 10–14 syllables[1][2] and few have a syllabically symmetrical line arrangement such as 5-7-5 or 3-5-3. Some haiku poets are concerned with their haiku being expressed in one breath [3][4][5] and the extent to which their haiku focus on "showing" as opposed to "telling".

look what a quick search found out. I've almost never seen serious English haikus at 5-7-5.

[dore]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

here's a haiku by Paul Beatty:

the full May moon,
Christopher Walken's forehead
finally has competition

[MrRubix]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

That is the fluffiest explanation ever for making a Haiku NOT a Haiku -- and it's wrong, lol. The 5-7-5 syllabic structure is as close as you're going to get in English to a 5-7-5 "on" structure in Japanese. Trying to manipulate it to something else is really no longer making it a Haiku. Saying "there's no direct conversion/translation" between the two is true because we don't consider things like "n" to be a separate sound, but there's absolutely no justification as to why you'd have something longer or shorter in English. Like Dev said, it's kinda butchering the original spirit of what makes a Haiku a Haiku.

To me it's just another example of Western influence taking a long-standing Japanese concept and butchering it, ungh. 5-7-5's there for a reason (poetically speaking -- its length and symmetry are what give it its sound, hence its derivation from "on"s -- your previous "haiku," for instance, does not have this symmetry at all, even in English), and changing it to something different still makes it a poem, granted -- perhaps an altered form, but it is not a Haiku.

"Most writers of literary haiku in English use about ten to fourteen syllables, with no formal pattern."
To me, this is just lazy, lol. It'd be like writing a limerick that doesn't follow the rhyme scheme and calling it a limerick.


Anyways just my opinion.

[phe0nixblade]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

dore:
accept my friend request on xbox live ya bitch

[dore]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

on =/= syllable

Japanese haikus are strict in the 5-7-5 format, but you can't convert 5 ons into 5 syllables. It's not the same thing. An English haiku is not a Japanese haiku, so why would you keep the same strict requirements? It's like comparing horse racing to midget racing. Sure, in both you're competing to be the fastest by going around in circles on a dirt track. But they're two different formats which you can compare in many ways but still aren't the same thing. You wouldn't make an auto racer use a saddle just because horse racing came first and they need to use a saddle.

[MrRubix]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

on =/= syllable

Japanese haikus are strict in the 5-7-5 format, but you can't convert 5 ons into 5 syllables. It's not the same thing. An English haiku is not a Japanese haiku, so why would you keep the same strict requirements? It's like comparing horse racing to midget racing. Sure, in both you're competing to be the fastest by going around in circles on a dirt track. But they're two different formats which you can compare in many ways but still aren't the same thing. You wouldn't make an auto racer use a saddle just because horse racing came first and they need to use a saddle.

Worst analogy ever btw, that's a completely different dynamic. What's the point in a race? To finish first. Both types of races accomplish this thing, and there's no lock on the format of a race as long as the original functions are present (which they are). However, there is a lock on the format of the haiku and altering its initial spirit and structure does NOT retain the original functions (symmetry and sound).

"Ons" *are* Japanese syllables (and even when spoken, they sound JUST like English syllables -- again, go listen to any Japanese song). English syllables are English syllables. Therefore in Japanese 5-7-5 "ons" are best converted to 5-7-5 English syllables. Being lazy and not understanding how Japanese works by screwing around with English haiku structures is not making a haiku. It's just being lazy and ignorant of why Japanese haikus are the way they are in the first place.



DOMINATED, next!

[GG_Guru]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

Japanese Haikus = DOMINATED

Sincerely Yours,

MrRubix

[who_cares973]

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that doesnt make sense
holy **** guru you twit
Ethiopian

[foilman8805]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

that doesnt even make sense
holy **** guru you are dumb
Ethiopian

you tried

[funmonkey54]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

Because wikipedia said so...

nuf sed

[who_cares973]

Re: Two Haikus Written in Linear Algebra Class

oopss