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  • Arch0wl
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    #31
    Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

    Originally posted by Reach
    80-90% female maximum @ 150 lbs for a woman (Normal height, jacked and lean), I would consider a 115x5-8 rep bench press EXCEPTIONAL, with a 140-150 lb 1 RM. This would take most women 2-4 years of training depending on genetics.

    I would expect a 150 lb man to bench that much after a few training sessions even completely untrained and non athletic.
    that's closer to the 50th percentile of men untrained

    the bottom 30% of men starts out with like 60-90lb bench

    (I was that bottom 30% when I started, lol)

    150lb 1RM should be able to take like 80% of men in a fight with good fighting technique though, 90th percentile bench for men is about 200lb (all men, not men who lift)

    a really trained woman can do some damage

    however, yes, you're absolutely right that the strength disparity is huge

    the figures quoted by the NSCA were 30-40% of maximum upper body strength of men, and 60-70% lower body

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    • Reach
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      #32
      Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

      Well yeah, my point was more or less that a maximally trained woman is about as strong as an average untrained male.

      But it ended up being a bit long winded ;)

      The disparity seems to be slightly smaller in the lower body, where most of a woman's training should be focused, for physiological reasons (androgen receptors there are lower). It's still pretty high though. 70% to me seems high but maybe. I was thinking closer to 50%.

      Gear usage is a thing too, since the % gain from female use is much higher than the % gain from male use. I'll have to look at the NSCA #s later.
      Last edited by Reach; 12-1-2015, 05:01 AM.

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      • Reincarnate
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        • Nov 2010
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        #33
        Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

        Originally posted by Reach
        A lot of people are actually really deluded in how strong they think top female athletes are. I mean I've seen people seriously say Ronda Rousey could beat someone like Mayweather in a fight lmao are. you. serious. She would be out like a light in 10 seconds.

        And it's not because she's not a good fighter. It's because it's not a fair fight.
        I actually got into a debate/argument IRL with some people over this a few weeks back (thankfully, not friends) and I was accused of making sexist claims.

        I don't think it's sexist to point out that Mayweather physically outclasses Rousey along any metric you care to choose. I don't buy the argument that "all she has to do is stay low and get him into an armbar." Seriously? As if it's that easy? Come on. He would light her up. It's not like he's some motherfucking Mortal Kombat character just mindlessly hammering away at the Y button.

        It almost reminds me of the Superman vs. Batman debate. I don't care if Batman is some brilliant strategist. If Superman wanted to wreck Batman's shit, there's nothing stopping him. Then again, maybe it's not that simple...
        Last edited by Reincarnate; 12-1-2015, 05:28 PM.

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        • Arch0wl
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          #34
          Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

          don't know how it is with respect to forum rules to link part of the nsca's pdf, so I just screenshotted relevant parts (this is from Chapter 7 of the NSCA's text)



          Last edited by Arch0wl; 12-1-2015, 05:39 PM.

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          • Reach
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            #35
            Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

            Originally posted by Reincarnate
            I actually got into a debate/argument IRL with some people over this a few weeks back (thankfully, not friends) and I was accused of making sexist claims.

            I don't think it's sexist to point out that Mayweather physically outclasses Rousey along any metric you care to choose. I don't buy the argument that "all she has to do is stay low and get him into an armbar." Seriously? As if it's that easy? Come on. He would light her up. It's not like he's some motherfucking Mortal Kombat character just mindlessly hammering away at the Y button.

            It almost reminds me of the Superman vs. Batman debate. I don't care if Batman is some brilliant strategist. If Superman wanted to wreck Batman's shit, there's nothing stopping him. Then again, maybe it's not that simple...
            Calling someone sexist is a new trend so I wouldn't take it personally 8)

            It's not sexist to point out that men are much stronger than women and that strength matters in a fight. Size and reach matter for a fight, we already class people by weight, and we don't let athletes take steroids which are used primarily for the sole purpose of being stronger which then directly increases performance...

            Yet somehow these people come to the conclusion that strength doesn't matter. lol

            Speaking of comics, most TV shows nowadays portray women as essentially as strong as men are. I know marvel is super guilty of this (agents of shield lol but I still love the show). I don't know how much this factors into how delusional people are about this. Reality isn't so cute though; Men vs Women isn't a joke, it's cruel and an unfair matchup.

            I used to compete nationally in Tae Kwon Do (3rd Dan), and to be honest men and women spar together all the time under regular settings, because you're supposed to fight with control. So you don't kick chicks as hard as you can. But every body knows the guys are pulling their kicks and could light her up whenever he wants, and that wouldn't be cool, because that could deal serious damage. As is in male matchups I've seen guys KO'd pretty hard and end up hospitalized with a concussion, and in TKD we wear helmets...

            Mayweather would give Rousey a one way ticket to hospital city if the Ref wasn't fast enough. We recently got to witness Rousey get lit by some chick that can actually fight who is almost definitely running gear, meaning maybe she can actually hit half as hard as Mayweather can. Getting someone twice as strong as you into an armbar is easier said than done, and actually holding them there is another issue entirely. Having also taken Judo, I can confirm that it is indeed possible to take down someone twice your size....under controlled conditions where they can't punch or kick you if you try. Actually taking down someone way stronger than you who is fighting back is no easy feat, combined with the fact that Mayweather would probably just break out of an armbar before she could lock it. Then again I really don't see anything happening other than him lighting up her face in the first 5 seconds and her being out cold.
            Last edited by Reach; 12-2-2015, 06:43 AM.

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            • Arch0wl
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              #36
              Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

              society needs to get on the cricket protein train

              http://www.hellawella.com/grab-some-...ographic/23017

              The ick factor isn't the only thing keeping grasshoppers from being a viable food in North America. The real problem is learning to farm them.

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              • Arch0wl
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                #37
                Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                lol:



                "There is no mention of health concerns about eating red meat other than urging men and boys, who, according to surveys, eat too much protein, to reduce overall intake of protein foods by decreasing intakes of meat, poultry and eggs."

                good luck with that.

                "hey, guys, decrease the very thing you need for results in any athletic endeavor."

                would love to see the efficacy of this plan.

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                • Reach
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                  • Jun 2003
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                  #38
                  Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                  This guy gives tons of bad advice.

                  A specific, nonsense breakfast requirement that isn't a necessary component of any diet? Check.

                  Suggesting nuts for snacks, a food extremely high in calories with low satiety that is better served for bulking that I have noticed being a core component to diet sabotage in people I've diet planned? Check

                  Arbitrary limits on red meat when the actual evidence linking red meat to cancer is dubious at best? Check

                  Requiring arbitrary fruit and vegetable requirements? Check (what so if I ate celery sticks 5 times a day do I pass, asshole?)



                  I mean, some of those other suggestions are actually good, but...

                  I can fix all of these points easily.

                  1. Your bowel will thank you if you eat more fiber during the day. You can supplement it too, though.

                  2. I would recommend a snack that isn't high in calories that also doesn't have a lot of sugar in it (snacking on sugar is pretty much the #1 cause of cavities)

                  3. You know, eat whatever fucking meat you want, though don't consume meats with nitrites in them every day.

                  4. Again your bowels will like you more if you eat fruits and vegetables, and they're high in micronutrients, but don't stress over servings or portions. If you're eating some fruits and vegetables you're probably getting all of your micronutrient requirements, and there's not a lick of fucking evidence to suggest that more micronutrients is better.
                  Last edited by Reach; 01-17-2016, 01:36 PM.

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                  • massflavour
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                    #39
                    Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                    vegan gains anyone?

                    also im so glad the rousey-mania is over, that shit was annoying
                    Last edited by massflavour; 01-17-2016, 09:59 PM.
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                    • Reach
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                      #40
                      Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                      Last time I watched vegan gains he went full retard calling furious pete out for cancer because of his diet when there is no scientifically established link between a high protein diet and testicular cancer, and the studies he cites are pretty garbage (remember, a single scientific study, even if performed well, often doesn't mean anything, especially when dealing with human subjects. conclusive evidence on humans generally comes from metanalysis of a large number of studies).

                      Never go full retard.

                      Even if it was true, that a protein based diet increased the risk of cancer significantly, he's still a fucking asshole that doesn't know how cancer works. It's a stochastic process that is non deterministic in nature and there is no way to trigger it and no way to prevent it entirely. You could live in a vacuum and still get cancer.

                      Getting cancer is more like rolling a dice with like a million sides a few times every day and you get cancer if it falls on a specific #, and risk factors for cancer are more like adding some #s to the dice that will trigger it. It really doesn't work the way he thinks it does.

                      Has he said anything notable recently?

                      And yeah watching rousey get rolled by that other chick silenced a lot of people lol
                      Last edited by Reach; 01-18-2016, 08:04 AM.

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                      • massflavour
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                        #41
                        Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                        probably not, he was only notable for being loud and obnoxious really.. plus he made a video about his grandfather after he died saying how he didn't feel bad because he ate meat.

                        also his dog is basically starving and he looks like a green alien
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                        • .Gazelle.
                          Mr. Skeltal
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                          #42
                          Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                          oh fuck


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                          • Arch0wl
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                            #43
                            Re: Fitness/Lifting troll thread

                            fiancee got stardew valley and has been playing it nonstop since it came out

                            anyway you can name animals in this game, and, well,

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