Drugs

[Cavernio]

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On to how this relates to the thread, it's retarded that employers care about your drug usage and that many employers have mandatory drug testing. That said, I wouldn't care to work for a company that would care about such things and not hire me based on something like that. But actually yes, it seems quite plausible to me that someone in the large biochem company would know that korny is the bongmaster and that that is you.

[shinohigurashi]

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Why does anyone use drugs? If there's a universal reason, it's that each person is trying to get at something. Less stress? free from axiety/fear? prolonged life? Because it's great fun?
Doesn't every reason eventually lead back to your own happiness. What are you when your free from stress, fear and anxiety? Happy. (or happier). For someone who wants more life, prolonging it makes them happier. By some definition of fun, you're already happy, it's more of a matter of realizing it.

There is no doubt that if you do what you want, you get what you deserve. But even if that's your death, how is it a bad thing if you only did it for good reasons? You'd just as soon blame the drugs for death if you're afraid of it (as you would also make addictions and permanent changes to your body or mind as bad), but if you get what you want, and that's happiness, then death ain't but a thing. and so long as you're doing what it is you want to do most in life, in this case drugs, you shouldn't be anything but happy.

My opinion is that if you aren't enjoying yourself, then that's not good and you shouldn't do it.

If it's too much to believe that addictions and changes of mind or body are in any way good, then here's my opinion.

You can't make someone behave morally right through law. If someone is going to murder, then they are going to murder. When you outlaw drugs, you aren't going to stop anyone who is already going to do them. If someone wants to do something, they'll do it. What happens instead? For starters, there's an increase in paranoia among many drug users for the obvious reason that they may get caught. Then there's this drug war, per say, of cops versus all users in which a massive amount of money, time, energy and resources are wasted trying to bust all illegal users who, in your (governments) opinion, are "bad" because they use "bad things." (or maybe it's because the goverment likes the indirect inflow of money from illegal drugs, who knows) And let's not forget that crime rates rise once you make something illegal that a mass of people like because you rose the price in the same way, and now they can't pay to support their habit. That and more murders between those who supply drugs.

Wouldn't it work better to offer help to users instead of throwing them in jail? Because if drugs are bad, it's not because they make you go around shooting people up, it's because you're addicted to a point where you hurt others by stealing and such, as well as deprive yourself of what your life could be. If not all, make certain drugs legal, take those resources spent making them illegal, offer the help drug addicts need in drug therapy and rehab centers, and then you have much more money, time and especially manpower to direct at improving other areas of crime and public service that are more importantly in need of improvement. Drug related crimes should fall naturally.

[shinohigurashi]

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Oh, I guess in conclusion, drugs aren't bad, legal or illegal, they can be extremely good. It's the rules enforced upon people because drugs are viewed negatively that are not so great.

[Cavernio]

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Although making drugs illegal isn't going to stop someone who is already using them stop using them, it definitely prevents people from ever starting them in the first place. Which is good if the drug in question is highly addictive or easily causes other serious physical damage. I'm sure that if I could go to the store and get cocaine I would, more than once. I'm personally glad I have no idea where to get cocaine.

[shinohigurashi]

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I agree with certain drugs being illegal, such as cocaine, but MJ being legal has already shown how that in itself is enough for MANY people to not move on to harder drugs. In countries where it's legal that is. Just as someone who is already going to do them will do them, they will also find them sooner or later no matter what you do. So making them illegal may prevent for some time, but not completely.

[SocoNhydro420]

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I was watching a documentary on Amsterdam and their policies on drugs. They split drugs into two categories, "hard", and "soft". They make the soft drugs legal under certain restrictions so that users can obtain them in a coffee shop or whatnot. Doing it this way keeps the casual soft drug users from being exposed to hard and more dangerous drugs that they might encounter if they bought through a street dealer. As a result, hard drug usage such as heroin is drastically lower while its near epidemic proportions in the US.

Not to mention if the US made MJ legal they could tax the shit out of it and help fix that retarded debt.

[devonin]

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If it were legal, and they tried to tax the shit out of it, people would just grow their own (like they already are) and not pay taxes in the store.

[fido123]

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If it were legal, and they tried to tax the shit out of it, people would just grow their own (like they already are) and not pay taxes in the store.

I'm pretty sure corperate organizations could produce better pot than anybody else, and therefore have a selling point.

[devonin]

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Yes and No.

The thing about Pot is that unlike tobacco there -aren't- a miles long list of ridiculous chemical additives that are what people actually become addicted to/crave.

Tobacco plants grown in your yard bear basically no resemblance to the cigarettes you buy at the store. Pot grown in your yard would.

[fido123]

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Although anybody can grow pot, not everybody would be able to grow pot of the same quality as a corperation. I know a lot of people including myself who'd shell out the extra money to get extreamly high quality marajuana, as oppossed to somebodies backyard varaity stuff. Companies would have the resources to produce marajuana with a higher THC and cannabanoid percentage which is what users seek.

EDIT: Also legitimate marajuana cigarettes instead of hand rolled joints. I can't roll for the life of me. Cigarette styled marajuana smokes pre-made I would buy in an instant. There are many ways to make money in this industry IMO.

[iCeCuBEz v2]

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post sucked don't know what i'm talking about.... disregard the whole slew of anecdotal evidence I gave to give my opinion about the legality of drugs in America.

[cornmaker]

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drugs are the small escape for people who are stressed, curious, have problems, etc.
no i don't support drugs because we all know that's bad not only for health. people are just using drugs for some reason that can be fix even if they're not using it. they just felt like they're on cloud nine, they forget their problems while using it that's why they're getting addicted to it.

[fido123]

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drugs are the small escape for people who are stressed, curious, have problems, etc.
no i don't support drugs because we all know that's bad not only for health. people are just using drugs for some reason that can be fix even if they're not using it. they just felt like they're on cloud nine, they forget their problems while using it that's why they're getting addicted to it.

Have you ever smokd marajuana? If you did you'd know it's not an escape for anything. Alcohol on the other hand blocks something in the brain that makes you give a crap about stuff therefore you don't care about stuff and that's an escape. Marajuana is a way to have a little fun, with a trade off I can easily handle. Besides it being illigal, considering I don't have any conflicting conditions the only way it negativly effects me is my lungs, and when used in moderation you're not doing a significant amount of damage to them.

There are many reasons why people do drugs, and many people use drugs for the reason you just stated, but not all drugs nor all reasons for doing them are the same and I think you need to consider that a bit more.


EDIT: Some drugs are used for no recreational purpose what-so-ever. Drugs like LSD and Psiolcybin (shrooms) can be done for help understanding yourself and the world around you and can lead to many positive life changes.

[Spenner]

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But it IS an escape, from a close minded daily life to an open minded tranquil moment, for however long it lasts. It can be harnessed to make positive life changes as well, because of the level of focus it garners to the user, and new solutions to problems can be welcomed or scouted out.

If anything, alcohol is like solitary confinement, where the thoughts and ideas are smothered with padded walls so that they can't do any harm, whereas with the high it's like opening the walls of that padded room. Which can be good or bad, it depends on how the person is.

Moderation being key 'course. Basically the problems arise when people compare the medicated mentality with their sober one and find that the sober one is insufficient to get them through the day.

[aperson]

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But it IS an escape, from a close minded daily life to an open minded tranquil moment, for however long it lasts. It can be harnessed to make positive life changes as well, because of the level of focus it garners to the user, and new solutions to problems can be welcomed or scouted out.

If anything, alcohol is like solitary confinement, where the thoughts and ideas are smothered with padded walls so that they can't do any harm, whereas with the high it's like opening the walls of that padded room. Which can be good or bad, it depends on how the person is.

Moderation being key 'course. Basically the problems arise when people compare the medicated mentality with their sober one and find that the sober one is insufficient to get them through the day.

Everything you ever say should be prefaced with "In my mind, "