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  • #166
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    The Blue Blur
    • Nov 2006
    • 147

    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

    The concepts of infinity and nothingness have fascinated humans since prehistoric times. Any argument made over these two concepts is an unholy battle.

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    • #167
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      aperson
      • Jul 2003
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      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

      Originally posted by Squeek
      Hey.

      You're only proving the reasons why I hate mathematicians.

      So, keep going. You're only alienating yourselves.

      If a pattern continues to grow more and more different, they can never be the same. Only in a messed-up mathematician's head are they the same.

      You guys are so amazingly elitist that you use """"FACTS"""" to prove things that are otherwise logically different.

      And some parents wonder why their kids hate math. This is how professors act too. MATH IS THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING EVEN THOUGH IT'S ILLOGICAL.

      Logic: 0.999... repeating is not equal to one.
      Your stick problem always has more pebbles than sticks.
      1.4c is not equal to 1.2c. Look, how can a 2 equal a 4?

      Math: 0.999... repeating is one. Don't try to argue, infidels.
      Turns out that even though there are more pebbles than sticks for all real numbers, they're the same number in the end. Don't try to refute this, I have numbers!
      light rofl
      Kilga's statement: 0.9~ < x < 1 is similar in structure to Cantor's Diagonal Argument. I suggest you do some reading on it (after reading about bijection from the previous post). Not only will it explain Kilga's assertion better, but if you understand it, you will surely see the premises behind the sticks and pebbles argument.

      The problem is, is that sizes of infinities are hard to measure. and thus, we use the term cardinality, not size, of a set. Like I said in my previous post, most things either have the size of the Natural Numbers or the size of the Reals. And, like I said, both the pebbles and the sticks can be mapped onto the natural numbers in a 1 to 1 form so both have the same cardinality. However, yes, we do intuitively know that the ratio will consistently be 3:1

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      • #168
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        Minion133
        • Dec 2005
        • 951

        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

        Stepmania project: [lim x->+inf] 1/x % done

        i see what you did there

        ps
        Originally posted by Minion133
        infinity isn't a number. it's the concept of the number line never ending.
        what do i win

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        • #169
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          Tokzic
          • May 2005
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          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

          Originally posted by aperson
          Kilga's statement: 0.9~ < x < 1 is similar in structure to Cantor's Diagonal Argument.

          I like my 9(1/9) argument. =(

          Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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          • #170
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            JKPolk
            • Aug 2003
            • 3737

            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

            Originally posted by Tokzic
            I like my 9(1/9) argument. =(
            But it's wrong.

            9 x (.111111....) is not the same as saying 9 x (1/9). .111.... is an approximation of 1/9, and so 9 x (.111... ) is an approximation of 9 x 1/9. .999... is certainly a good approximation of 1, but what you used was a flawed proof.

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            • #171
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              igotrhythm
              • Sep 2004
              • 6590

              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

              I've taken calculus, and those sorts of limits pop up occasionally. It's an example of what we call an indeterminate limit because there's no way to tell where the limit is going to end up. So what we do is we try to manipulate the expression so the limit is in either the form 0/0 or infinity/infinity, and we then use a little trick called L'Hopital's Rule (sometimes more than once) to get the value of the limit. I would pull out some examples, but I'm too lazy.

              Sorry if anything I said has already been said.
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              I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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              • #172
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                Kit-
                • Feb 2006
                • 536

                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                Originally posted by JKPolk
                But it's wrong.

                9 x (.111111....) is not the same as saying 9 x (1/9). .111.... is an approximation of 1/9, and so 9 x (.111... ) is an approximation of 9 x 1/9. .999... is certainly a good approximation of 1, but what you used was a flawed proof.
                Hay guyz. .99999999 = 9/10 + 9/100 + .... = a0/(1-r)=(9/10)/(1-1/10)=(9/10)/(9/10)=1. It's not an approximation. .11, .111, .1111, etc are approximations. .1 repeating infinitely is not.

                Edit: I see you cornandbeans. Nice music.
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                • #173
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                  GuidoHunter
                  • Oct 2003
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                  Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                  Originally posted by igotrhythm
                  Sorry if anything I said has already been said.
                  Pretty much all of that has been said, along with the fact that limiting your scope of infinity to just calculus is of little use to the argument. Read the thread before you post.

                  --Guido


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                  • #174
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                    abagane
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 13

                    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                    Originally posted by A2_Sauce
                    Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.
                    If you were to multiply any number by zero, then it's zero. So Infinity * zero would be zero. Unless you take into account the fact that Infinity is a concept, not a number.

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                    • #175
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                      Shashakiro
                      • Aug 2005
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                      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                      Originally posted by abagane
                      If you were to multiply any number by zero, then it's zero. So Infinity * zero would be zero.
                      read the thread, it explains why this is wrong
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                      use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                      • #176
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                        Kilgamayan
                        • Feb 2003
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                        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                        He actually explains himself why it's wrong in his next sentence.
                        I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                        • #177
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                          GigaAndy
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 2

                          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                          Heh.
                          For one infinity is not a number it is an expression, and secondly you can not divide anything by 0, because division is when you split something- you can't split something into no pieces. And whenever you times something by 0 you always end up with 0, because if you nothing times something, then you can't get anything out of it.

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                          • #178
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                            spyke252
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 181

                            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                            Originally posted by GigaAndy
                            Heh.
                            For one infinity is not a number it is an expression, and secondly you can not divide anything by 0, because division is when you split something- you can't split something into no pieces. And whenever you times something by 0 you always end up with 0, because if you nothing times something, then you can't get anything out of it.
                            You can take the limit as k -> 0- of 1/k which== -infinity.
                            You can take the limit as k -> 0+ of 1/k which== infinity.


                            You cant take the limit as k -> 0 of 1/k, because the limits from the right and left do not equal each other, so the limit DNE.

                            Your reasoning is flawed, as you cannot split something into 1/2 a piece. (Conservation of mass) Yet, 1/(1/2) = 2.
                            Originally posted by Tokzic
                            is the repetition of the last line a metaphorical comparison of the dependance of society on technology today versus the more natural lifestyle of the late nineteenth century

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                            • #179
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                              beatmouse
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 60

                              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                              Originally posted by GigaAndy
                              Heh.
                              For one infinity is not a number it is an expression, and secondly you can not divide anything by 0, because division is when you split something- you can't split something into no pieces. And whenever you times something by 0 you always end up with 0, because if you nothing times something, then you can't get anything out of it.
                              Thanks tips

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                              • #180
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                                GigaAndy
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 2

                                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                                With objects no, but with numbers yes you can split something into 0.5, it will give you double.

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