How come god created the tree of knowledge?

[Shashakiro]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Isn't God supposed to be all-knowing? If so, wouldn't he be able to see into the future, and wouldn't he know the outcome of creating the tree before creating it? If so...what was the point of going through all the trouble?

This is why I'm an atheist, by the way--because I'm a firm believer in logic, and all religion has too many logical flaws (aka "it might not make sense, but you must have faith") for me to really believe in any of them.

[Grandiagod]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Free will and divine preordination contradict each other.

[FoJaR]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

actually they dont.

pre-ordination means that you were chosen to do ____ before, but if you choose not to, or if your choices preclude you from doing ____, someone else can still do it. pre-ordination doesnt mean that you will choose to do ____ or that nobody else can do ____, but only that you should, and if you do, you'll succeed.

[FoJaR]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

and i'm kinda with laharl here.

the first commandment that God gave was for adam and eve to multiply, to have children, but they couldnt do this without the knowledge they needed from the tree of knowledge.

the "commandment" God gave them not to eat of the tree of the fruit of knowledge wasnt so much of a commandment as a choice or ultimatum. To bear children, they had to leave the garden of eden, and eat the fruit, because God, being just, couldnt just throw them out of the garden. We have free will, and God had to give us the choice. and the choice was made.

[Megmo]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Well, how do we even know that the bible is the truth? Look at it this way, history is based not on facts, but on what we are told in the present. Who controls the present controls the past. Ever read a novel called 1984 where they rewrite history so that lies are believed to be true? Honestly, there is no proof that anything happened in the bible because we cannot prove the past. I do not go to church or anything, but I do however believe in God because life just seems like there has to be more to it. And I think God (if there is one) doesn't interfere with us just because people like Eve are going to do something they're not supposed to. He gives us the choice of free will and that is our gift and our right. He doesn't just 'let' things happen. But I like hearing other opionions too and I'm also open to the possibility that we could have evolved by evolution. I'm undecided.

[sushigrlOOk]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

hmm...the snake was the devil right? who told the adam and eve 2 eat the apple that god told them not too and then...i forgot what happened next XP

[FictionJunction]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

actually they dont.

pre-ordination means that you were chosen to do ____ before, but if you choose not to, or if your choices preclude you from doing ____, someone else can still do it. pre-ordination doesnt mean that you will choose to do ____ or that nobody else can do ____, but only that you should, and if you do, you'll succeed.

what he meant was the fact that if you were meant to do <action>, you are not choosing to do <action>. With destiny in play, there's only the illusion of choice, not choice itself.
If Free will is in play, you can anything you want. Choice exists versus being thought to exist.

[FoJaR]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

well he said preordination, not predestination.

[FictionJunction]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

well he said preordination, not predestination.

Touche.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Obvious you weren't paying attention to what you were reading. I have bolded the reason as to why the tree of knowledge was planted in Eden.

Genesis 2:8-9

And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and the he put the man whom he had formed.

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden and the tree of knowledge of god and evil.

hmm...the snake was the devil right? who told the adam and eve 2 eat the apple that god told them not too and then...i forgot what happened next XP

Genesis is from the Torah and in the Jewish faith their is no devil, therefore the serpent is nothing more than a serpent.

[megaxxx]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

I got a stumper for this topic. If god was the creater of all things, why did he create hell. And if he did not create hell, then someone above god made a hell. Point to prove here: Either god created evil knowing it would screw us over and pointing out he is evil himself, or their is greater powers beyond a god. Whatever way it goes, (it) could have stopped hell at any time he wanted and allowed a perfect world. It shows that there is something bleak of this world.

[FictionJunction]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

I got a stumper for this topic. If god was the creater of all things, why did he create hell. And if he did not create hell, then someone above god made a hell. Point to prove here: Either god created evil knowing it would screw us over and pointing out he is evil himself, or their is greater powers beyond a god. Whatever way it goes, (it) could have stopped hell at any time he wanted and allowed a perfect world. It shows that there is something bleak of this world.

God didn't create hell.
And due to Eve's foolish actions our eyes are now open to the realities we experience on a daily basis. We are able to differentiate good and evil, and I am thankful for that. Imagine living in a world where evil wouldn't exist? We'd be ignorant, innocent human beings with no purpose in life; we'd have nothing to overcome.
That is obviously not a valid reason to stop believing in <insert branch of christianity here>. You can do it, but you'd be ignorant in doing so.
Yes, I'm atheist.
Your 'topic stumper' fails.

[Patashu]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Your 'topic stumper' fails.

What did you expect? It's megaxxx.

[vashthestampede0987]

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I was fairly sure that hell was created by Satan who was a banished angel for opposing god in some way. Therefore megaxxx just got double fail'd

[Laharl]

Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge?

Hell was created by God as punishment to Satan and his followers for rebelling. Satan is no ruler there in the idea that he has extra magical powers. He is a ruler in Hell simply because the others follow his lead, much like we follow leaders in the human world for being good with words and quick-witted (ideally for us, anyhow).

FictionJunction: Explain how I'm ignorant for following a Christian denomination. I don't draw a direct link between the state of ignorant bliss we imagine Adam and Eve having been in and that somehow magically making all Christians ignorant themselves.

The thing you are rejoicing about? Being able to differentiate between good and evil and therefore having things which cause joy rather than mere happiness in your life? That was God's intention as I see things from my standpoint.