That topic.

[Equs]

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I gota have a religious belief or there is no point of living at morale standards.

Why? I've never heard something so silly before.

Damn there is no superior being watching over me, I no longer have any meaning and life is a waste of time *cut*

[megaxxx]

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Why? I've never heard something so silly before.

Damn there is no superior being watching over me, I no longer have any meaning and life is a waste of time *cut*

I love it why this is called CT. If you don't live by a set of morale codes, then you will have a life of miserably long years like I have been since I was born. Anyway, there must be a code that preserves the order in which you believe in. That and that alone is why they have religions of different beliefs.

[Equs]

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I love it why this is called CT

I love it why you cannot type properly.

That and that alone is why they have religions of different beliefs.

no

and last time I checked you didn't need religion to be a moral person.

[T0rajir0u]

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I gota have a religious belief or there is no point of living at morale standards.

Do you have any idea how selfish this really is? That you need a religious motivation to compel you to act morally? To be nice to other people? To, y'know, not blow them up or anything?

Does it really take the reward of eternal heaven and the threat of eternal hell to motivate you to live up to a decent set of standards?

It really isn't that hard to realize that being moral is about doing things that help humanity. You can help humanity by giving to your community. You can help humanity by not going to your school with a gun and shooting everybody.

Morality is whatever helps instead of hurts. The idea that the only thing that can motivate people to be moral is a reward or a punishment is cynical. Virtue really is, and should be, its own reward.

[megaxxx]

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Eh, I guess your right.

[lilshortieman]

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Do you have any idea how selfish this really is? That you need a religious motivation to compel you to act morally? To be nice to other people? To, y'know, not blow them up or anything?

Does it really take the reward of eternal heaven and the threat of eternal hell to motivate you to live up to a decent set of standards?

It really isn't that hard to realize that being moral is about doing things that help humanity. You can help humanity by giving to your community. You can help humanity by not going to your school with a gun and shooting everybody.

Welcome to 2006. Glad you made it.
Life happens. People get wrapped up in their lives and things become more important than doing good for the whole. We orget to be nice. We are owned by what we own/ feel entitled too. We need something to jerk us out of this space a.k.a. Religion. Yes, I mean actually participating in your religion, going to church every Sunday does nothing if you don't invest some sort of energy in it.
This will probably be my only post in CT. Pardon the Interruption and Goodbye.

[T0rajir0u]

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We need something to jerk us out of this space a.k.a. Religion.

This is actually a totally valid argument, and one that my friends have used on me plenty of times. Practically speaking, it works fairly well.

I tend to have two issues with it, though:

1) Religion causes an awful lot of conflict when people take it too seriously.
2) I always found the concept of using religion to get people to behave better a little manipulative.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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There's still that unclosed issue about Onan...

You guys are about half right. I don't know if the reason of Onan's sin was identified, but his sin was at Deuteronomy 25:5-9. It was called Levirate marriage I think and he failed to perform that act after the death of his brother.

So I don't know if "pulling out," as it's been said, was the sin itself, just the fact that he didn't obey this command from God's Law.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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Also since I like to post different ideas in different posts. There's been talk of Bible text that says masturbation is wrong. Really it isn't mentioned directly at all in the Bible as a sin. (Meaning it doesn't say, "Thou masturbate and sin.")

But there is a principle that some have touched which is Matthew 5:27,28 (part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount) Which basically says if you idolize women then that's committing adultery in your heart.

Other principles that you can look at are Colossians 3:5 which tells you to deaden your sexual appetite. (Meaning things outside of marriage sex for the most part without getting into every detail) And the reason you want it deadened is found in Romans 1:26,27 where it talks about these sexual appetites leading to homosexual relations. (Which IS condemned in the Bible at 1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

So you take the Bible as you want but that's what you're looking at as far as any bibical proof that masturbation is bad. (Notice: bad =/= sin, just that it makes you more prone to doing something that is a serious sin)

[T0rajir0u]

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Which basically says if you idolize women then that's committing adultery in your heart.

Other principles that you can look at are Colossians 3:5 which tells you to deaden your sexual appetite. (Meaning things outside of marriage sex for the most part without getting into every detail)

So the conclusion we reach is that if the Bible condemns masturbation, then it condemns sex for anything except childbearing purposes (in a marriage) as well, right? The use of condoms, birth control, etc. etc.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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if the Bible condemns masturbation, then it condemns sex for anything except childbearing purposes (in a marriage) as well, right? The use of condoms, birth control, etc. etc.

Ummm don't know how you went from sex to birth control. Sex outside of marriage is bad yes but those other things aren't mentioned or implied at all.

But if you see it that way I guess that's fine but that's not what I read from it.