Does death scare anybody else?

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Does death scare anybody else?

I need a clarification before I can adequately respond to this thread. What is your definition of death? This may sound strange, but we (mankind) really don't have a firm definition for what dying is. Is it your heart stopping? You brain ceasing to function? That which defines your personality unraveling? What everyone needs to release is that human beings are not one autonomous entity. We are a series of chemical and biological reactions occurring in concert. You can remove some of these processes and still have "life" so it is difficult to draw a line where life ends and death begins.

Let's bring unnecessary complexity into a rather simple argument! Oh, wait, jabber already did.

For the purposes of the argument, I think you know what we mean by death.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[duckman085]

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Well first I would like to start of by saying that there should be nothing on earth that you fear. Im not saying if a blood thirsty murder comes swinging an axe your way that you just take an axe to the head, (always practice caution), but if you are going to die being scared is just going to make you panic lowering you chances of seeing a way out. When you die there is a scary thought. I think that if you live your life like there is a god and be good not only will it make you a better person ( and perhaps make you life less stressful), but if you die and there actually is one then you in the clear for eternal happiness. If there is a big nothing….then you are still in the clear because it’s just nothing. As for reincarnation if you are good you come back as something better so all clear in that rout. So if your good then you will have a ¾ or 75% chance of something positive coming out of death so it should be alright to die… but there is always that last 25 %...what if what your doing isn’t good enough…what if what you believed to be right was really wrong and your doomed to eternal damnation…..that makes my blood run cold and I shudder to think about it. So overall im not really afraid to die…but then occasionally doubt will come and fear along with it.

[Reach]

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So if your good then you will have a ¾ or 75% chance of something positive coming out of death

You make it sound like there are only 4 different possibilities after death, and that each of these possibilities are weighed equally.

This is more like, if you're good then you have a 0% chance of reincarnation/going to heaven/meeting god because there are an infinite number of other things that could happen if you're going to allow for supernatural possibilities in the first place.

[TD_GenoCid3]

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[Farka]

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I highly doubt any of us will be scared of death when it's finally near. After living a long life, you'll accept death as your time comes. Even if you die young, you'll accept death before the end, most likely.

If you die from like a bus accident or plane crash, no worries because you'll die to quick to be afraid.

So just live your life without any fear of dying the next day, week, ect... Still take cautions, but don't hold back on doing fun dangerous things because you're afraid of dying.

Of course all desicions are up to you...

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Does death scare anybody else?

You make it sound like there are only 4 different possibilities after death, and that each of these possibilities are weighed equally.

This is more like, if you're good then you have a 0% chance of reincarnation/going to heaven/meeting god because there are an infinite number of other things that could happen if you're going to allow for supernatural possibilities in the first place.

I'm pretty sure you could equally weigh mutually exclusive events. Taking a situation like Schroedinger's cat (and ignoring all the quantum indeterminacy stuff), the cat either dies or doesn't die. He could also, say...break out of the box and fix himself a sandwich or any other of an infinite number of possibilities, but all of those possibilities doesn't reduce the possibility of the other action.

Those infinite possibilities should be lumped in with the fifty percent of "nothing happens". This assumes a reasonably certain chance that what believers think will happen will happen, that is, the god that does hypothetically exist is the one to whom they pray. With what we have, I think that's a fair assumption.

God's existing and other supernatural occurances are not to be considered together. If God does indeed exist and you believe in him and are good, you will go to join him; there's no other possibilities.

The only way something else can happen is if God doesn't exist, and you're back to the two mutually exclusive events: God existing and God not existing. Infinite possibilities in the latter, none in the former. Since one happens and not the other, there's your 50/50 chance of heaven or something else if you believe and make the cut.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Reach]

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Those infinite possibilities should be lumped in with the fifty percent of "nothing happens".

I suppose that is the biggest problem with your argument...simply because, you can't argue that it is 50%. This is the reason why Pascal made a really crappy argument.

This isn't exactly a 'there are two doors' problem which you are trying to address it as. You can't know what the chances of anything or any of the events are, since they are supernatural. Supernatural events in themselves have no reliability, thus you cannot treat them like standard probabilities or groups of probabilities.

If God does indeed exist and you believe in him and are good, you will go to join him; there's no other possibilities.

Well, that's not correct either. You can't know for sure. If he exists exactly as you imagine him, then yes, this is correct. However, that doesn't mean there are not an infinite number of other possibilities regarding his existance. You could be totally way out in left field. He might hate everyone. Maybe he is a woman. Maybe it is a 105 dimensional conspansive piece of lettuce that sends you to urinate endlessly on a piece of burnt toad.



Hence, since you can't know anything for sure, how can you weigh any of the items in the set, or group them together? You can't lump together things you don't understand, and can't place weights on them either. It is unfair you weigh 'Going to heaven' heavily just because you believe in it; that has nothing to do with it being right.

So, instead in this case you have to weigh everything as if it were equally plausable, because there is no evidence or reliability in any of the items.

[x3Mamimi]

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Death scares the hell out of me.
Probably because my beliefs tell me that there is nothing after death, absolutely nothing.
and that's not easy to fathem.
Thus, scary.
ah.

[akuma696]

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I've learned to embrace death when its near. I've almost died on more than one occasion and I've lost several family members that I love. It's an inevitable thing and you can do nothing but accept it and live with it.

[Xception704]

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What a coincidence that I see this thread today.

My school always has a few police officers on campus somewhere just for security, and last week one of them found a hit list in one of the school's restrooms with some students on it as well as some teachers. It ended up being a hoax, but 59% of the school didn't show up today.

Last night, when I found out, I was actually debating whether to go or not. I could go and risk getting shot, or I could stay home and not have to go to school.

I wasn't really scared of getting shot because I figure I might as well take anything that comes to me, but then I started having second thoughts as I kept factoring in things like how my family would react and such.

I don't mean to ramble on and on, so I'll get to the point now. I decided not to go because I'm not scared to die, but because I'm scared what will happen when I die.

Then again, I can think I'm not scared to die, but there's that part of me, as I'm sure most people have, that is terrified ...

[Blackheart87]

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I kinda understand what you're saying, Xception. I'm not really worried about death myself, but what does bother me is thinking about at which point in my life it will occur. I mean, I don't want it to happen while I'm young; I'll be leaving behind too many people that I care about. The emotional effect that my premature death would have on them is what really bothers me about this subject. I just want to be ready to go when my time comes.

[denton_12]

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I've had this thought/fear many a time. When you close you eyes and see black, black is something... nothing would be clear wouldn't it? however, you can't imagine clear, because we've never experianced endless clear, the air is clear, but no where can you look and see nothing but air, you see what's behind it.

In this world our view of death is skewed... no one has a real answer what happens to you or the "afterlife". because no one is able to experiance it and come back and tell you about it.

Death is an question that no mortal will ever be able to answer, you can't read about it in a book, you can't research it on the internet... there is no proven answer for it.

The only truth for death is that it will happen, every living thing will die eventually... to come to peace with this fact, you just have to admit to yourself that you're never going to know until you experiance is, and then you will know the answer, because eventually, being a living thing, you will experience it. Just hopefully not too soon.

[ffrrocksya]

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I'm really not scared to die. As long as it's most likely will be painless and that there is a Heaven, then I'm ready anytime.

[SquishyMini]

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I am cos' I'll never achieve everything I wanted to do by the time I die.

[Armadegon]

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Death is just an exstension of life. Life is just an prologe to death. Nothing is not anything and therefore can not hurt you so why should I be afraid of nothing. (Asuming that there is no life after death)