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  • #1
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    sleeplessdragn
    • Jan 2004
    • 2321

    e^(i*pi)

    In my math class a discussion arose concerning this interesting problem. The solution of e^(i*pi) is equal to -1, yet not even my math teacher could explain exactly why this was. All that he could say was that in order to prove this, a derivative of e and the fractional value of pi was involved. I know that it involves a certain trig identity but not much more than that.

    After searching through google I found not much more information, although I admit that i did not really google too deeply. I found, though, that a correlation between e and pi has to exist.

    Does anyone know of any correlation between e and pi? Are there any practical uses for this equation? Discuss.
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    GuidoHunter
    • Oct 2003
    • 7371

    It's been said that that equation is the most magical equation in all of math because it incorporates several different types of math and relates them all. That is, the transcendental, the algebraic, and the imaginary.

    I don't know much about it myself, and if you already googled it, I can't really furnish much more.

    --Guido


    Originally posted by Grandiagod
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    • #3
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      Kefit
      • Apr 2003
      • 1517

      This equation is incredibly important to physics and differential equations. Lemme see if I can remember the proof:

      First off, this proof uses infinite series. Put basically, any differentiable function can be represented by the sum of an infinite series. No, I don't expect you to know what that means. Just accept that:

      cos(x) = 1 - (x^2)/(2!) + (x^4)/(4!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

      sin(x) = x - (x^3)/(3!) + (x^5)/(5!) - (x^7)/(7!) + . . .

      e^x = 1 + x + (x^2)/(2!) + (x^3)/(3!) + . . .

      It follows that:

      e^(i*x) = 1 + (i*x) - (x^2)/(2!) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (x^4)/(4!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

      i*sin(x) = (i*x) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (i*x^7)/(7!) + . . .

      Now something interesting happens when you add cos(x) and i*sin(x) together. Lemme see if I can illustrate this clearly:

      .....cos(x) = 1..........- (x^2)/(2!) ......................+ (x^4)/(4!) .................- (x^6)/(6!) + . . .
      + i*sin(x) = ..(i*x)..................... - (i*x^3)/(3!) .................+ (i*x^5)/(5!) - . . .
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      ....e^(i*x) = 1 + (i*x) - (x^2)/(2!) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (x^4)/(4!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

      Don't be discouraged if the idea of infinite series is unfamiliar to you - just take the series I gave for sin(x), cos(x), and e^x for granted, and everything else I show above follows from simple arithmetic on the series.

      Anyway, this creates the general equation:

      e^(i*x) = cos(x) + i*sin(x)

      if x = PI, then:

      e^(i*PI) = cos(PI) + i*sin(PI) = -1 + i*0 = -1

      Oh, and shame on your math teacher for not knowing this proof


      Originally posted by seinno
      and also thank you everone for clearing it up for me I will try to start using my two hands iv tried quit a bit i put my left hand index and middle finger middle finger is on the up arrow index on on left arrow and right hand i use my index for the down button and middle for the right button does that seem weird?

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      • #4
        You thought I was a GUY?!
        Cenright
        • Sep 2003
        • 3139

        (It seems as you are just finding a way to rid yourself of the 'i', thus attempting to find a way to legally multiply by zero.)
        I know I am looking at this from outside the equation, but still...
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        • #5
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          GuidoHunter
          • Oct 2003
          • 7371

          Uh, what? Where does zero come into this and when is it illegal to multiply by zero?

          --Guido


          Originally posted by Grandiagod
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          • #6
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            Kefit
            • Apr 2003
            • 1517

            Well, some people use zero to set up this identity as:

            e^(i*PI) + 1 = 0

            And then they sometimes use that to try and prove the existence of God due to the existence of such a streamlined relation between what are more or less the five most important constants in all of math.

            Of course, that is not what Cenright was talking about; rather this is the real way that zero gets involved with this equation.


            Originally posted by seinno
            and also thank you everone for clearing it up for me I will try to start using my two hands iv tried quit a bit i put my left hand index and middle finger middle finger is on the up arrow index on on left arrow and right hand i use my index for the down button and middle for the right button does that seem weird?

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            • #7
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              Anticrombie0909
              • Jul 2003
              • 4683

              *head explodes*

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              • #8
                auauauau
                Omeganitros
                • Jun 2003
                • 8897

                Actually, I think I got a grasp on that.

                However, I can see that me and Infinity will be having a frustrating relationship in the future.

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                • #9
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                  sleeplessdragn
                  • Jan 2004
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                  I heard about the mathematical proof of the existence of God, but i had NO clue that this equation was the root of that proof. That simply astounds me. I actually did a one eye brow raise when i read that.

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                  • #10
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                    Kilgamayan
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6583

                    Jesus, I couldn't have produced that and I'm a math major.

                    I'll have to remember that.
                    I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                    • #11
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                      Tasselfoot
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 25185

                      All I remember about that proof is that my fat ass math god buddy used to geek around talking about e^(i*Pi) instead of -1 any time -1 came up, or some such multiplier of that.

                      Needless to say, yes... he's a math god. and yes... he's a virgin. and yes... he weighs 300lbs.

                      And, with that, I go back to hating math math and back to loving finance math.
                      RIP

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                      • #12
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                        blahblah18
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 1662

                        OK ITS REAL SIMPLE...
                        kefit has it right...
                        they're called taylor series... anyone? anyone? Bueller? calculus?
                        but for now... postCount++

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                        • #13
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                          GuidoHunter
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 7371

                          Pfft, they're nothing but MacLaruin serieseses centered about zero.

                          --Guido


                          Originally posted by Grandiagod
                          Originally posted by Grandiagod
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                          • #14
                            Fractals!
                            igotrhythm
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 6590

                            Here's the proof I saw once for proving the existence of God. At least, I think this is how it goes.

                            0=0+0+0+0... and this stretches on to infinity. This can be rearranged to

                            0=(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)...

                            0=1-1+1-1+1-1...

                            =1+0+0+0+0...=1

                            Thus, something has been created out of nothing. However, this is not legitimate because the infinite series is divergent. That is, the series of partial sums (1, 0, 1, 0...) do not approach any specific number. If it did, this limit is defined as the sum of the infinite series.
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                            • #15
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                              banditcom
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 6243

                              Originally posted by igotrhythm
                              Here's the proof I saw once for proving the existence of God. At least, I think this is how it goes.

                              0=0+0+0+0... and this stretches on to infinity. This can be rearranged to

                              0=(1-1)+(1-1)+(1-1)...

                              0=1-1+1-1+1-1...

                              =1+0+0+0+0...=1

                              Thus, something has been created out of nothing. However, this is not legitimate because the infinite series is divergent. That is, the series of partial sums (1, 0, 1, 0...) do not approach any specific number. If it did, this limit is defined as the sum of the infinite series.
                              lol... That's for stupid people who fail to realize that the -1 is still in there to counter the 1.

                              Anyways, nice proof Kefit. I totally forgot about the different series, even though they're really cool. Currently, I'm so sick of proofs. Most of them I feel like "this doesn't seem to prove anything" but they do.

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