Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats

[slimshdy425]

As we know, people often refer to republicans as conservatives and democrats as liberals. This is a stereotype that seems to never change, despite what the parties are actually doing.
Look at Bush. While a conservative president would be, well, conservative about the economy, Bush is not. He's basically spending as much money as he wants to fight in the Middle East and has therefore caused a tremendous national deficit. He wants to privatize social security, a risky move that no 'conservative' would do.
Clinton's presidency, although he's considered liberal for being a democrat, basically 'conserved' things the way they were. He didn't fight any wars and kept the economy at a steadily growing, safe rate. Al Gore's candidacy didn't seem very liberal as his famous 'lockbox' plan has shown.
My point is that the term republican is not interchangeable with the term conservative, and the term democrat is not interchangeable with liberal.
A few days ago I made a point about the fallacies of the Bush administration and a friend instantly called me a liberal. This just doesn't seem right.

[Wayfaerer_]

RE: Conservatives, Liberals, Republicans, Democrats

I hope this doesnt turn into a political argument.

[GuidoHunter]

Where are you getting these definitions? Bush is extremely conservative, especially in the economy. Most conservatives believe in a very strong military force; you don't hear many of them whining about the expense of it. It's the social spending that they hate. And what conservative doesn't want to privatize government spending? I realize that that idea is more of a libertarian one, but most conservatives have some libertarian leanings, especially in issues about government size.

Clinton was quite liberal in his destruction of our armed forces and intelligence, too.

I'll continue this later, as I've got to go and just wanted to put something up.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[QreepyBORIS]

Our intelligence after the Clinton administration was still good enough to know that the WTC was gonna be attacked. And it ended up on Bush's desk several times in the month before the attack.

He didn't do anything about it, though.



So does being apathetic and lazy count as conservative or liberal in standing?

[jewpinthethird]

So does being apathetic and lazy count as conservative or liberal in standing?

Well, they both are pretty lazy, but I would have to say conservative, because Conservatives like to ignore problems with catchy names like "trickle down effect."

Now, if he protested against Al Qaeda months before it happened, but never did anything about it, then he would be a liberal.

[DracIV]

Our intelligence after the Clinton administration was still good enough to know that the WTC was gonna be attacked. And it ended up on Bush's desk several times in the month before the attack.

He didn't do anything about it, though

That's a complete lie Boris. You've twisted the truth too far. A single time a report of "suspicious activities in the Middle East, with a probable plan to hijack a commercial plane to hit an American symbol" came in. Along with several tens of thousands of other, wrong, reports. Very few of these things are credible, and there is absolutely no way to know what will actually happen.

That is exactly like me saying, "Beware electricity" today and three years from now a lightning bolt hits you, and then I claim, "Ah ha! I can predict the future and I told you to be careful! You are a fool!" My original warning had no credibility to it because it did not allow any proper action on your part, and my later words are exactly what you are saying; something completely unfounded and straying from the truth.

Back to the main topic. Repub, conservative, liberal, and Dem are most definately seperate. Usually, when you switch the party for the school of thought, you are expanding it to people also not in that party. There are actually quite a few liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats, but you dont hear from them often. Oh yeah, and contrary to what jewpin said, the trickle down theory does have merit and has complete logical validity.

[alainbryden]

Oh I saw the word Bush. Bush is an idiot. I'm done.

[tmrmetal]

And its closeminded idiots like you who make Bush's job even more stressful then what it already is. Lets see you do better.

[alainbryden]

Bump from hell. Noob from hell. Kill them all. Goodbye.

ooh, wait, I just have to paraphrase: Why don't you strap Bush with an AK47, and send him off to fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way.

[Mindfields]

Oh I saw the word Bush. Bush is an idiot. I'm done.

It's something I would say. He would be alright if he didn't give us Texicans such a bad name. Lets say if he was from...New Jersey. Yeah, he would be a lot less wary and offensive if he was from NJ. But he has to walk our walk and talk our talk and make people think we're all exactly like Bush. My Liberal Democratic Social Studies teacher emphasizes on this alot. I like my teacher. She's smart.
Myself: I'm pretty sure I'm a conservative green. I don't like political partes at all. It makes people judge you alot faster than if they were judging you by your race.
P.S. What alainbryden said also reminds me of a Simpsons line:
Homer: She said tavern! I'm goin to Moe's!
Marge: I never agreed to that rule!!!

[Specforces]

If you are going to spark an arguement merely by saying that "Bush is an idiot" you are eluding all intellectual debate and therefore not complying with the standards of this forum. Really, if you say that Bush is an idiot, at least have the thought to prove it, or at least try to prove it. Then we can knock down your arguement with our superior conservative thoughts.... just kidding. But in all seriousness, you need to prove your arguements.

[alainbryden]

Hey Spec, good to hear from you. We weren't trying to spark argument by stating that. I infact don't think bush is an idiot, not that I approve of his being continuously in power. By saying that i was simply summarising the quality of debate this topic was producing. It was essentially a kill post. I could have sworn this topic was dead. :P

edit: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Bush actually was somewhat mentally incapacitated. Really though, that much pressure could make anyone's mind ill. I don't blame him for playing golf so much. Probably the best thing for the U.S. he can do.

[Specforces]

I think that was one of the most entertaining things I've heard all day, but really, think about it, the job of the president is probably one of the most difficult in the world. It's a 24 hour workplace, always pestered by media and problems that cost lives. I wouldn't want the job.

[jewpinthethird]

I think that was one of the most entertaining things I've heard all day, but really, think about it, the job of the president is probably one of the most difficult in the world. It's a 24 hour workplace, always pestered by media and problems that cost lives. I wouldn't want the job.

Well, if not most difficult, definently most stressful...hands down.

[Specforces]

I can agree with that.