Believe in Reincarnation?

[evilbutterfly]

I myself am religious... just "fallen" or doubtful.

I had a doubtful phase, but have since passed and refound faith. Faith in something is always better than doubt in everything.

[Jam930]

Not from a doubtful perspective.

Faith in something false isn't any better.

Almost like the book 1984.

Summary: A guy named winston in a totalitarium brainwashing government set in the future becomes aware of the government's immoral actions and tries to take action against it.

Winston has doubts, noone else does, but wouldn't you say he's in a better, more intelligent, powerful position?

[cheezy89]

mm april eh? thats a while ago, but it still shows it, so ill bring it back...

Jam, I think that the example you've shown has relevance in realization of immoral actions, just as you said, and Winston's enlightenment putes him, in his own view, at a more intelligent, "better" position than those following the corrupted government, but only powerful in his realization.

I can't argue against what he does in the book as i haven't read it, but the book cant quite cover the concept of religious beliefs. Winston realized taht the government was making immoral actions and tries to abolish it, there is no way to fight against religion itself, no way to abolish the beliefs that people have, just to fight against those who do immoral things based upon their faith.

I know what you mean, that all the people would be mislead by believing in the totalitarian government, but falsity is shown in one's own perspective. How one weighs the pro's and con's of actions of another, or of those whom one may believe in different authorities varies between one person and another.
People who are religious hold much zeal in their ethnicity may believe that worship of a greater being gives them spiritual power, which they may believe outweighs their physical power and authority.
Knowing that you are a good, just person can outweigh the cost that they put into believing in religion. One makes religion and belief in one religion not false. One who worships a greater being, so to speak, creates the image of the greater being in their head, brings up the principles of that belief, the sins and the reconciliation that they can seek from believing in such, may ease their conciousnesses.

Of course, this is all just my opinion, and I'm not religious, im just trying to justify it for myself.

[Chocoborider29]

I really dont mind saying but what are the chances of you coming back and knowing that you were a cow or cat or w/e. Reincarnation is a hopeless effort to start another religion.

[CypherToorima]

Hey guys, this topic is dead. Please don't bump dead topics.

[jewpinthethird]

Reincarnation is a hopeless effort to start another religion.

What is that supposed to mean?

The belief in reincartion dates back to before 1000 BC. Many religions believe in reincarnation: Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Gnosticism, Judaism, and even some branches of Christianity. Many Native American and Inuit traditions revolve around the idea reincarnation. There are many references to reincarnation that can be found in the Old Testament. Many classic Greek Philosophers (ex. Plato) believed in reincarnation too.

Hopeless effort to start another religion?

Personally, I believe reincarnation makes more sense than any other "afterlife" explaination.

And Cypher, consider this thread reincarnated.

[seth1234567]

Reincarnation doesn't make sense for a few reasons...
-Where does one's body go once he dies? If one were to say Pergatory or such they wouldn't be believing in a traditional "re-incarating" religion. There isn't just some holding pen for souls awating rebirth... it makes no sense.
-Since animals have no souls, how could a Human be put into another animal's body but another human? Many beliefs of the reincarnation religions say that people can return as many different animals, which can't be true.
-And finally, If reincarnation is true, where do new souls come from? How can the quickly growing population possibly be filled by the dying souls of "previous" lives...
But this is just my opinion, I don't mean to offend or degrade anyone's religions whatsoever, being Catholic i completly understand what it is like to be religiously persecuted over the years... haha cya

[jewpinthethird]

Reincarnation doesn't make sense for a few reasons...
-Where does one's body go once he dies? If one were to say Pergatory or such they wouldn't be believing in a traditional "re-incarating" religion. There isn't just some holding pen for souls awating rebirth... it makes no sense.
-Since animals have no souls, how could a Human be put into another animal's body but another human? Many beliefs of the reincarnation religions say that people can return as many different animals, which can't be true.
-And finally, If reincarnation is true, where do new souls come from? How can the quickly growing population possibly be filled by the dying souls of "previous" lives...
But this is just my opinion, I don't mean to offend or degrade anyone's religions whatsoever, being Catholic i completly understand what it is like to be religiously persecuted over the years... haha cya

I am by no means an expert on reincarnation, but this is what I have gathered from what I have read on it in response to your questions:

1. The body goes nowhere. It just rots in the ground, or is turned to ashes via cremation.

2. Those who believe in reincarnation also believe Plants and Animals have souls too.

3. The Earth...or some new age jazz like that.

It all depends on what you believe in. But to those who believe Reincarnation to be true, it makes as much sense as Heaven or Hell in Christian religions.