Disgaea: HoD hints needed

[TheRapingDragon]

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EDIT: Your way is not bad. You can sit around in the Item World at Chapter 4 if you want and you will come out of it with plenty of high levels, good stuff, etc. I just see no reason to take such a long way through the game.

How is it a "long way through the game"? You yourself agree that Disgaea is all about collecting / grinding / improving things. From that mantra "the game" would be to get the best items and beat the best bosses, not just beat the main story.

It's more valuable to have one high-level character

Yes, I only have 3, a physical and magical majin and Laharl.

than a bunch of characters whose levels equal his.

Which is only important for unlocking characters. I have never said to level up tons of people, just a few and then catch whatever else you want.

Also - One final thing.

You beat the story in 15 hours. In that 15 hours I had characters strong enough to start power-leveling in CoO3 and they got into the hundreds in a matter of minutes from that. In 15 hours I had around 5 200+ level characters vs. your level 100 Laharl.

Granted it's all about what you want from the game. Want to beat the story then yes, go ahead and do what you're saying. Want to have the best stuff and characters and obsess over getting everything then do my way. Both are fun in their own way.

[Zybanthia]

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Okay, that's a good point. As his question was "the best ways to level up in Chapter 4" I was trying to think of the most time efficient way to get him out of Chapter 4, but if he (or whoever else) is going to have more fun going through the Item Worlds, unlockable areas and whatever else, then that is indeed the route they should take.

[Kage_No_Shi]

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I have to point out that leveling like that, while it gives you a sense of accomplishment, it also breaks the main story.

When I was the start of the last chapter of Disgaea 3, I started item worlding a lot, to get decent equips (ended up with a leveled version of the best available equip in the normal world, which is a rank 34....Macho fist I think? And a Demolition sword, also rank 34. Legendaries, of course).

When I came back to the main story, it was a joke, not a challenge. Even the CoO areas were a joke in the normal world...

This is why I generally prefer to save powerleveling for the second cycle.

On the plus side, I ended up in the post game on the first cycle. I now have access to Land of Carnage (which I have since used to level up to level 9999 for multiple characters, including my thief. Well, 3 characters, but my main attacker, A hanakage, female ninja of highest tier, went to 9999 multiple times).

But still, the main story is for entertainment value, and that value goes down when you can absolutely crush all the enemies with one of your more 'meh' characters....

Plus, I don't really recommend Item Worlding (more than necessary) to newbies. Let them beat the main story first, before getting into the post game stuff.

[Zybanthia]

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Yeah, basically:

If you're already leveled, you've lost the tactical value of the game because you can just sit and bash everything's face in. You've already won, so there's little point in clearing the story anymore.

in more depth. Totally agreed.

[Kage_No_Shi]

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Ah, sorry, didn't notice that part >_>

I sometimes get sorely tempted to restart Disgaea 1 or something, so I can re-enjoy the beginning of the game, starting from scratch. But meh, aside from NIS games, I rarely devote so many hours to a game, it doesn't match my personality.

Essentially, Disgaea games, particularly their post-game, go against my personality, but I still <3 em, which shows how awesome they are ^_^

[TheRapingDragon]

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Hi, if you don't want to fly through the story with your leveled characters then just make a new character or two and take them through the story. I mean if we're talking about challenge here then you can do whatever you want. You don't have to use your leveled characters to beat the main story. Hell go ahead and make 10 mothmen and take them through the story, there you go no easy wins.

[Kage_No_Shi]

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Meh, then there is temptation to use your better characters when it gets irritating, not to mention that would make it more like an annoyance, than an enjoyable experience.

I dunno, I just think that none of that compares to starting a new game (particularly one you haven't played before) from scratch, and leveling your characters.

[TheRapingDragon]

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Meh, then there is temptation to use your better characters when it gets irritating, not to mention that would make it more like an annoyance, than an enjoyable experience.

You sound like the sort of person who doesn't enjoy challenging games so I'm not going to really discuss this point with you. Challenge is challenge, you make it what you will.

I dunno, I just think that none of that compares to starting a new game (particularly one you haven't played before) from scratch, and leveling your characters.

To me that would be a waste of time. Why bother starting a new game when I don't have to start a new game, I can essentially play the game from the start with whoever and keep my old characters. I can beat the game as many times as I want in one save file. That to me is infinitely better than having to restart each time.

[Kage_No_Shi]

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Gah, you're missing the point, aren't you?

I enjoy the challenge of having a brand new Disgaea (or other NIS) game. However, once you know you can choose to just rape the main story with your main characters, the charm of the challenge disappears somewhat.

To use a weird analogy, it is like slowly working your way through various foodstuff to get to the dessert. You can immensely enjoy the meal in itself, and look forward to the dessert as a sort of reward. Once you have full access to the dessert, sure, you can go back and eat the meal again, but you've already done it, and now have reached your reward....Going back seems somewhat half hearted, knowing you can get the dessert anytime you want now.

Not great (and a bit weird, like I said), but sorta works doesn't it?

I'm not advocating the restart of the entire game, exactly, but it seems like it would be a way more fun way of enjoying the main story, as opposed to just creating a bunch of new characters for the express purpose of taking on the main story. The main story just becomes kinda 'bleh', once you reach the point that any of your regular characters could easily solo it...A reboot though, feels much more fresh. You know, I wouldn't mind starting from scratch on Disgaea 1, just to take on the main story (I'd ignore the post game stuff). Pretty much, that's what I'm talking about. Not doing everything from scratch, JUST the main story. Basically, it amounts to the same thing, only you'd be able to use main characters too. One save for your great characters and post-game fun, and another just to enjoy the main story again.

In any case, I look forward to Disgaea 4 (or the next NIS game that is similar).

Also lol, I don't enjoy a challenge? Dood, anyone that plays Disgaea must at least like em a bit? 50% of the point to the game is to work towards an uber character/team to take on an epic boss. I admit, I have my limits (Like I doubt I'll ever beat LoC Baal in Disgaea 3, friggen insane stats, I'm talking you better be able to do 10's of millions of damage per character, at least.), but in terms of the level of challenge we're talking about (beating the main story), you haven't a bit of ground to stand on >_>

Well, whatever, thread is kind of getting off topic. I do hope you understand what I was getting at at least ~_~

[Crimson_King]

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Dood, I need help on HoD! I need the best ways to level up in Chapter 4! And, if anyone has Disgaea DS, can you help me beat Hoggmeiser in Etna Mode, dood?

I've found that the best way to level no matter what chapter you're in is go to the item world. It works in Disgaea 1 and 2.

[AznGreen]

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dood, you should've bought the psp version of disgaea. there's this foresight glitch and it's pretty badass since its only on the psp. google it up. anyways, terrible cold is the only place i can think of

[Xx{Hunter}xX]

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I've found that the best way to level no matter what chapter you're in is go to the item world. It works in Disgaea 1 and 2.

Uh, dood...That's a given