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  • #796
    FFR Player
    tsugomaru
    • Aug 2004
    • 3962

    Re: World of Warcraft

    Druid tanks are good for their high pool of hp. If there are any large hits they need to soak, they can do it for sure. However, I don't think they are the best tanks in the game. They're good, but they aren't the best.

    I read somewhere that warrior tanks are still the best tanks for raids because they take the least damage out of all the classes. When the tanks take less damage, the pressure on the healers is lessened and they have to spend less mana, meaning more heals can go to other people. Druid tanks on the other hand, constantly need healing, draining your healer's mana quicker than a warrior tank.

    ~Tsugomaru
    Originally posted by Hiluluk
    WHEN do you think people die...?
    When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
    When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
    When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
    IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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    • #797
      FFR Player
      Solid Dreams
      • Apr 2008
      • 298

      Re: World of Warcraft

      I think paladin and death knights are arguably better.

      Paladins because they should have shield block up constantly, and DKs because of all their cooldowns.

      You shouldn't talk down to people you don't know anything about, acting like you know more and then try to show them up in the forum. That's how you get absolutely no where.

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      • #798
        Very Grave Indeed
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        devonin
        • Apr 2004
        • 10142

        Re: World of Warcraft

        Discussing which classes are better at tanking is only at all meaningful within the context of single fights, and raid/group makeup.

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        • #799
          The 40% Iron Chef
          bender5
          • Jan 2005
          • 4894

          Re: World of Warcraft

          Originally posted by rade0110
          Are you sure that Ignite stacks? I've never heard of that happening before. And yes, I have all the proper glyphs for a FFB spec (Glyph of Frostfire, Improved Scorch and Molten Armor). Fire Blast is never a part of my normal rotation.

          As far as not using Living Bomb... debatable. If you recast after every time it finishes you're adding 164.5 dps to your rotation (2139/13). Yes, you add one second to total time for GCD factors. On the other hand, you could also say that for every 2.5-3 casts of Living Bomb (32.5 seconds of added dps on the low end 39 on the high) you could have cast a Frostfire Bolt. So unless your casts for Frostfire Bolt averages more then 5346.25-6415.5 damage (164.5dpsx32.5seconds-164.5x39) you are losing dps. Averaging out your Frostfire Bolt would include the damage added for crits and Ignite. So if you are on the low end of bonus spell power or crit, using Living Bomb would be in your favor.

          As for what I meant by my rotation being totally screwed up, it was more in reference to recasting scorch when someone just did, or for some reason not following my Living Bomb rotation the way it should be. Plus, there are those unfortunate times when I had to give up an instant pyro because I had a web spun around me, or locust swarm got too close and I was silenced. Basically, I'm rusty and need to not be an idiot when I cast.
          Well as for me, my spellpower+crit chance+haste is really idealy balanced so that I have a 2.6 second cast that fully raid buffed has a 42% crit chance, and a crit will never crit for under 10k. So the living bomb dot really doesn't do a whole lot. I might change this philosophy when 3.1.0 comes out and get a living bomb glyph so that my individual ticks can crit. Making ticks go from 500 to 1k, so then it might be worth it. As for now the extra 1.5 seconds for the GCD isn't worth it imo.

          And I'm positive that ignite stacks because my highest ignite tick ever, 28k, was on Loatheb. Not on Maly or Thadius where you get 100% damage increase. This is definitely caused from the fact that on that fight I have a 92% crit chance, and even if I'm only criting 11-12k it takes 40% of that crit, and then 40% of the next crit etc. So if you crit 9/10 casts and they are basically spaced 2.6 seconds apart the stack should theoretically never dissipate making the possibilities on that fight endless.

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          • #800
            FFR Player
            Solid Dreams
            • Apr 2008
            • 298

            Re: World of Warcraft

            Originally posted by devonin
            Discussing which classes are better at tanking is only at all meaningful within the context of single fights, and raid/group makeup.
            Unfortunately DKs and Druids are liked more for Sarth3D, and everything I've seen points to a lot more fights like that.

            ALthough with druid nerfage maybe Paladins will slide up.

            You shouldn't talk down to people you don't know anything about, acting like you know more and then try to show them up in the forum. That's how you get absolutely no where.

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            • #801
              FFR Player
              tsugomaru
              • Aug 2004
              • 3962

              Re: World of Warcraft

              Yah, I guess it really does depend on the situation.

              ~Tsugomaru
              Originally posted by Hiluluk
              WHEN do you think people die...?
              When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
              When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
              When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
              IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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              • #802
                FFR Player
                Sir Psycho
                • Nov 2008
                • 423

                Re: World of Warcraft

                Warriors can still do it, they just need to be a jewcrafter AND a blacksmith. That way they can maximize their health to be able to take a full hit from Sarth's dragonsbreath.

                Guild 1 shotted 3Drakes and I managed to get 31k health unbuffed
                Originally posted by chardish
                I need the most bitching recipe for chili you have. None of that nancy-boy Wendy's ****. Bring out the stuff you feed your Hispanic Texan friends, mother****er.

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                • #803
                  FFR Player
                  TK_Pjpaveloffga
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 2

                  Re: World of Warcraft

                  Originally posted by Sir Psycho
                  jewcrafter
                  >.>

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                  • #804
                    FFR Player
                    Solid Dreams
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 298

                    Re: World of Warcraft

                    I have 30k health unbuffed.

                    I just need to get my expertise up now :P

                    You shouldn't talk down to people you don't know anything about, acting like you know more and then try to show them up in the forum. That's how you get absolutely no where.

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                    • #805
                      The 40% Iron Chef
                      bender5
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 4894

                      Re: World of Warcraft

                      Well 30k unbuffed gets dropped down to 22.5k from the HP debuff. Which is why the flamebreath is hard to survive. Fully raid buffed you'll probably get up to like ~28k and then you'll have to make sure you pop shield wall and last stand when each of the drakes drop to make sure you survive

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                      • #806
                        FFR Player
                        UphoricSHD
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 155

                        Re: World of Warcraft

                        I have a problem with priests.
                        Shadow priests are ****! So anyone who makes a priest just winds up becoming a healer anyway. What's the point?

                        Huntards are OP.
                        UphoricSHD: Shielding Euphoria

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                        • #807
                          FFR Player
                          Sullyman2007
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 1663

                          Re: World of Warcraft

                          what rofl

                          Shadow priests can put out insane DPS if they know what they're doing. They can also Mind Control which is extremely useful when raiding.

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                          • #808
                            The 40% Iron Chef
                            bender5
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 4894

                            Re: World of Warcraft

                            Shadow priests are amazing. They are a very skill dependent class.

                            Example: A RL friend of mine went on a trial raid in Naxx with my guild. He downed KJ pre 3.0, so he's ****ing good at playing.

                            On Maexxena he put on all of his 70 raiding gear, with a few 80 items to raise his hit up a bit and got 6th on dps(On heroic of course). Where 6th was like 3.6k, he out dps'd a shadow priest that was already in the guild with full best in slot items.

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                            • #809
                              FFR Player
                              tsugomaru
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 3962

                              Re: World of Warcraft

                              It can happen if the fully geared priest was webbed several times or his job was to get people out of webs.

                              ~Tsugomaru
                              Originally posted by Hiluluk
                              WHEN do you think people die...?
                              When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                              When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                              When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                              IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                              • #810
                                The 40% Iron Chef
                                bender5
                                • Jan 2005
                                • 4894

                                Re: World of Warcraft

                                Or if the fully geared priest can't play half as well as the good priest. Regardless a class like shadow priests your rotation is just as important as your gear.

                                Whereas a mage or a hunter is completely dependent on gear seeing as it's just the timing of your main cast that determines your dps

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