TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - End Of Day 5: Victory!

[Kilgamayan]

Re: RE: TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - Night 1

Kilga He's smart enough to organize a plot like what I suggested. Best yet, he even said himself that he doesn't like to talk about things real time (IMs). You afraid of a slip up, Kilga?

I hear you might be the seer.

If such is the case, you should know I'm not a wolf.

My explanation for not liking privacy is explained above.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Re: RE: TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - Night 1

what is that BMS link? i never posted that.

[Kilgamayan]

RE: Re: RE: TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - Night 1

Oh, I pasted the wrong thing.

Lemme fix that, sorry.

EDIT: Okay, it's fixed.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Re: RE: TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - Night 1

and the fact that you were much more open this game than last makes me think you are trying to change your behavior.

Oh, and you've really been hiding under the table yourself this game, right?

ah, but i've proven that i'm human to at least 8 people. you haven't. therefore you are under much more suspicion than i. plus, you have been attacking me from the start.

[Kilgamayan]

RE: Re: RE: TWG II: A Tremor In The Force - Night 1

I'd love it if you could explain how you "proved" anything to anyone.

EDIT: Hm, I guess I didn't take my AIM name out of my profile.

[GuidoHunter]

I'm not going to hold anything against Kilga for the AIM thing. That's a legitimate idea for anyone to have; it just depends on your style of play.

My vote's going to Kilga because I suspected him last game, and everything I questioned about him last game I'm seeing again this game.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Kilga: Tass, The_Q, Guido (3)
Tass: Kilga (1)


and kilga.... i would give all the proof i have for everyone who i know is human to you, but you don't want to be AIM'd. plus, i don't trust you at all.

[banditcom]

I still don't trust any of you.

[blahblah18]

how helpful

[Kilgamayan]

All right, I broke down and decided I should AIM for a better solution.

bjstrattonIM: All right, you got your AIM.
bjstrattonIM: Prove to me you're human.
TasselFoot: you first.
bjstrattonIM: I can't.
bjstrattonIM: I know I can't.
bjstrattonIM: Because there's no way.
TasselFoot: then you are in trouble.
bjstrattonIM: Aside from showing the PM or something.
bjstrattonIM: Which is illegal.
TasselFoot: everything you've done here seems to be the logical progression from last game.
bjstrattonIM: I'm still waiting for proof.
TasselFoot: i will tell you that i'm really pissed off.... i wanted the seer to see about you last night, but no, i was seen. what a waste.
bjstrattonIM: It seems very odd that you refuse to explain yourself.
TasselFoot: because i don't trust you.
bjstrattonIM: Almost as if you have something to hide.
bjstrattonIM: Okay.
TasselFoot: i've given proof to half the people in the game, because i'm trusting in them.
bjstrattonIM: If I'm a wolf, I knnow you're human anyway, right?
bjstrattonIM: So what have you got to lose?
TasselFoot: i could be human. i could be the seer. i could be the guardian. i could be the psychic.
TasselFoot: but.... here is my proof, in the easiest way.
TasselFoot: ok. i voted for flypie, right?
bjstrattonIM: One of your several votes was for flypie, yes.
TasselFoot: my 1st real vote. i voted for whorli and emccky before that.
bjstrattonIM: Okay.
TasselFoot: flypie was going to be killed. she had 8 votes against her. right?
bjstrattonIM: I suppose so.
TasselFoot: you can check if you'd like. i'll continue.
bjstrattonIM: Yeah, I'm just still mifed that chardish isn't going by the rules on that subject.
TasselFoot: now. if i was a wolf... then either both myself and flypie are wolves, or i'm a wolf and she's human.
bjstrattonIM: There should be two f's in miffed
bjstrattonIM: Granted.
TasselFoot: if we are both wolves, why on earth would i vote for her, and why would she vote for me.
bjstrattonIM: To throw the humans off.
TasselFoot: that is beyond stupid. because one of us is almost certainly going to get axed. i had 5 votes, she had 8. at that point.
bjstrattonIM: It's beyond stupid to go for misdirection?
bjstrattonIM: I thought that was the whole point of being a wolf.
TasselFoot: that is such a huge gamble.
bjstrattonIM: Not with the FFR crowd.
TasselFoot: its a huge gamble.
bjstrattonIM: They're a bunch of idiots who oculdn't hold a vote with a catcher's mitt.
bjstrattonIM: At BMS, yes, it would be.
bjstrattonIM: Not at FFR.
TasselFoot: then, she IMed me. we talked. i believed her to be human, so we both rallied our troops and moved to Q.
bjstrattonIM: You "believed" her to be human?
bjstrattonIM: What kind of proof is that?
TasselFoot: then Q joins in and starts talking with us. oh shit... Q is human too! fuck. and we move to someone else who had been acting suspicious, because there isn't anything concrete to work off of.
bjstrattonIM: How do you know Q is human?
TasselFoot: again, i don't trust you at all.... so i'm not at liberty to give you more details than that.
bjstrattonIM: How do you know Q is human?
TasselFoot: i'm not at liberty to divulge that information.
bjstrattonIM: Let me guess.
bjstrattonIM: Q claimed to have a special role.
TasselFoot: that is possible.
bjstrattonIM: Well.
bjstrattonIM: There are two possible cases.
bjstrattonIM: Q is a normal human.
bjstrattonIM: He comes in and says "I'm human".
bjstrattonIM: Obivously you're not stupid enough to go "Okay, I believe you."
bjstrattonIM: The other option is Q comes in and claims to have a special role.
bjstrattonIM: Obviously, you're not stupid enough to go "Okay, I believe you".
TasselFoot: guess you're at a dead end.
bjstrattonIM: I'm not at the dead end.
bjstrattonIM: You haven't proved anything.
bjstrattonIM: I'm looking for indisputable facts, not theories and probabilities.
bjstrattonIM: If you can't provide out-and-out facts, then you don't have a proof.
TasselFoot: without cheating or being the seer, then i can't have out-and-out facts. and you know that.
TasselFoot: i trust my instincts.
bjstrattonIM: That's still not proof.
bjstrattonIM: At least I got you to admit that.
TasselFoot: proof, high probability... it's worth the risk to me in this game, especially early. and i still have the alternatives in the back of my mind.
TasselFoot: and can you deny that you are the probably target for my "groups" focus this round?
TasselFoot: probable*
bjstrattonIM: Hell no.
bjstrattonIM: I fear for my life at this point.
bjstrattonIM: Any player would, human or wolf.
bjstrattonIM: Especially after seeing how you led the lemmings to three different targets in the same round.
TasselFoot: well, i'm open to any suggestion you have to change my mind. because your entire focus was against me from the start.... which is what i figured the wolves would do.
bjstrattonIM: I can't provide anything to change your mind.
bjstrattonIM: You know that.
TasselFoot: i am really upset. i wanted you to be seen last night.
bjstrattonIM: It's too bad, it would've cleared my name.
bjstrattonIM: :l
TasselFoot: 3 different people told the seer to see you last night. the seer chose to ignore all that.
bjstrattonIM: Lovely.
TasselFoot: they saw me instead. fucking stupid.
TasselFoot: if you are human... then i'm sorry. if you are human, hopefully someone else willl do something to sway my "lemmings" away.
TasselFoot: because i most certainly would change my vote if probability dictated it.

Given the bolded lines, my vote changes to The Q on the belief that he's trying to set me up by letting the bunch of humans that were involved in whatever convo believe he's the seer.

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EDIT:

TasselFoot: ::sigh:: q isn't the seer.
bjstrattonIM: Well, it would've been good to know that.
TasselFoot: i never said he was or wasn't.
TasselFoot: you assumed.
bjstrattonIM: Yeah.
bjstrattonIM: I figured the seer wouldn't be so stupid as to reveal their role.
bjstrattonIM: Unless it was Q "proving" he's human.
TasselFoot: not q.
bjstrattonIM: ...
bjstrattonIM: -_-
bjstrattonIM: I don't even care anymore.
bjstrattonIM: If I die, so be it.
bjstrattonIM: I won't have to give a shit about this game anymore.
TasselFoot: but, i will let you know... that i said the alternative was in the back of my mind. Q being a wolf trying to pass as something else was what i was thinking.
bjstrattonIM: It doesn't matter.
bjstrattonIM: I'm fed up with the stupidity.

Not changing my vote because it's not going to matter at this point.

Go ahead, do whatever. I don't care. The sooner I no longer have to deal with this game, the better.

[blahblah18]

aww, that's sad... what's so bad about this game versus the ones you normally play in? I woudl like to know, and also to then maybe play in one of those games

[Cenright]

My vote is for Kilga. And dont even tell me I am a 'lemming'. I may have spoken to Tass, but you were in my suspicions way before that. How is it that LD's and Tassel's network came up with you as the same suspect as I did, while we were not even in cahoots?

You have been very close minded this game. Yes, you say that you listen to the rest of the others, but you don't hear what they say. Sure, be skeptical in the beginning, but after the initial time, you have to put at least some trust in someone who you feel might to be a little more trustable. This is a game about taking risks. Risk in killing those who are your allies, and risk in trusting someone you feel might be an ally.

To put no trust in anyone makes it so that no one has any chance to trust you. That is worse than trusting someone a little, because with trust, there is only the chance that the dark jedi will pick you. To be untrustworthy AND human is a double duty risk, and you are smart enough to see that. That is why you are suspect for being a dark jedi.


That time for trust is up now. Even if there is a dark jedi in Tassel's organization, or even Tass himself (which it isnt), you still have your own mind. If you were part of the organization, people would be more likely to listen to you, but you never tried, you are an outlander all the way, and so no one will mourn your death, whether that is a human or Dark Jedi death.

That is because a human who is only trying to save his own ass is not a team player, and is of no help to the team. You yourself said that it would be better just to off Tass as a precaution. Well we are taking your advice, and offing you as a precaution. Tass may be giving us information, but we get to interpret it. People are making their own decisions. Different minds think differently, but even with all that difference, if there is a similarity, it is worth following. That is why that "precautionary measure" is going against you, not Tass.

Even if Tass is leading, he is not making all the decisions. Others are giving him answers too though. He isn't the king of all our minds. There are others that are equals to Tass, and that means that the "lemmings" as you call it, dont have a leader. There are other people. There are equal people.

LD himself was going to go after you. And since it would cost too much for the Dark Jedi to off one of their own, I value his opinion. Especially since it was Tass (and one other, but tass predominantly) that verified LD as human.

[Kilgamayan]

Please don't yell.

Anyway, I had a big long post written out but I scrapped it because I'm too lazy to deal with the edits you made to yours so yeah.

[Cenright]

Yeah I edited it about 8 times. The post came into my head in pieces. I am finished now though.


Dang. this game as been up for 2 days, and we already have 238 posts.

[Kilgamayan]

Well, here's a summary of what I was going to say:

- Last game taught me that it's not worth the risk trusting people

- There is a way to prove I'm human but it involves me not dying today and I doubt people are going to like that so scrap it