TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

[FreezinIce]

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okay, but like, what information. nothing was happening.

We'll never know now, since the day ended early. Thats kind of the point.

[storn42]

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Pretty clearly shown when tforce tried to insta himself to end the phase early, instaing in general is anti town because it denies possible information. Sometimes is ok to insta but i wouldnt say yesterday was one of those times

okay, but like, what information. nothing was happening.

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

my counter argument would be what did we lose by the phase ending early?

Pretty clearly shown when tforce tried to insta himself to end the phase early, instaing in general is anti town because it denies possible information. Sometimes is ok to insta but i wouldnt say yesterday was one of those times

[FreezinIce]

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Storn, rather than moaning about how sorry everyone will be when they kill you, how about trying to help find the wplf yourself? I honestly have no idea who you are even suspicious of at this point.

[storn42]

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and sure lynch me, whatever. but you really need to be paying attention to who the actual wolf is because you'll only have 1 shot to hit them when you do.

[storn42]

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I guess my main question would be, why do you like instaing? Why is that helpful?

my counter argument would be what did we lose by the phase ending early?

[Hateandhatred]

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Sorry for the fever posting. I'm doing a lot better now!

I guess my main question would be, why do you like instaing? Why is that helpful?

Well, I do like it in general because it makes things happen. I don't like hanging forever on targets until the end of the day just to see if they will respond to pressure when they clearly have said their piece, and from there 2 things can happen. People either find another lynch target and put aside what was put in motion a moment before (while considering that it's not like it happened randomly, it had to be a consensus among players who usually don't trust each others, and that it's not like a better target is just gonna make itself more desireable in the middle of a wagon), or the target is killed at the end of the day anyway, if they don't insta. If I'm in position to say "fuck it, lets pull the trigger right now", I usually will. If we were right, fantastic, and if we weren't, well we at least won't stay in doubt forever. And it's not like we can not lynch at all "until we're really really sure". You know that classic scenario of 2 identical people trying to convince you that they are your friend and the other one is an impostor? Well, it's essentially like that, except the group's mind has already determined who should die. It's obviously a little different when the votes are split 50-50 and you're the one who decides because the tiny details become way more important and you want to scrutinize as much as you can with the time you have (especially true in F3 when you're the last blue lol, but even then, if I'm sure, I'm sure and that's it, I don't wanna let myself be talked out by one of them, there's a whole game of evidence anyway), but if I'm ok with a target, I just am and I'll do it and would rather get the cardflip if the game isn't moving anymore (like it was with T-Force yesterday).

I've even done it against myself (very specific situation though, and it won the game quicker), and I don't think it is super alignment indicative by itself in general. It's situational, but a lot of you guys play by your collectively agreed on meta and I tend to not agree with it a whole lot. I understand it can seem early to a lot of players and part of me wants to respect that, but when people refuse to wagon too hard on someone (like say they remain 2 votes away from insta but there's a clear wagon and otherwise spread vote), the state of the game very rarely just changes. I would appreciate if people tried to make it change course a little more, but that ends up being either alignment indicative for wolves or a terrible mistake that may mislead town into lynching another town (which happens regardless anyway), so it's not all that good every time in my eyes. It's very situational.

But, in the end, when an opportunity to insta someone comes up, I think my preferred card to play is to play it, depending on situation. Sorry if it's kind of a mess of a post, it's not something I've tried all that much to put into words before.

also would it kill you to stop calling me "he" it's annoying when my pronouns are on literally every post i make

Not at all. I've recently been notified of the fact outside of this thread and I apologize, and I'll make sure to respect this from now on =)

Here's my response to the conversation when it happened:

11:15 PM]H&H: ok this is gonna sound weird but l don't really associate the preferred pronouns with what people actually want to be called
[11:15 PM]H&H: that's mainly because I'm not overly used to paying attention to pronouns, but also because of lol language
[11:17 PM]H&H: but it's not like, out of any wish to not be accomodating
[11:17 PM]H&H: its definitely something I wanna be respectful of
[11:18 PM]H&H: so if they weren't sure if I was blatantly ignoring or something like that, please tell them I didn't do this intentionally

I guess they forgot to forward this, but hopefully we are good =)

[bugkid666]

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also would it kill you to stop calling me "he" it's annoying when my pronouns are on literally every post i make

[bugkid666]

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Bugkid: I don't really buy his d0 trash tier reads list, nor his meek questioning of people's voting. He appears to me to be more trying to blend in than anything else. Him putting raeko under freezin in his trust list is the strangest play I've ever seen prolly, so I'm guessing it's a meme

Wow, that sucks

fuckin whatever

[star-crossed]

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I am going to vote storn. storn and a T-Force/storn connection have been on my radar since D0, and really the only thing in his favor in my mind is just his continued insistence he is town. I apologize if I am a contributing factor in your lack of posts. If that is the case, I hope you would be open to discussing it further with me in the future, because I do not want to make the game unfun for anybody. For me, while you are funny as always, I find that you have been very opaque this game and lack the same spark I saw in you in TWG 201.

[star-crossed]

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I guess my main question would be, why do you like instaing? Why is that helpful?

[star-crossed]

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Anyways, when I first read HNH's pro T-Force reads list and then switch to the insta vote I was like WTF dude, I hope dead chat isn't making fun of me for defending you, if I end up in a final 3 with you I am going to be so stressed. And also was trying to think along the lines of whether T-Force would have asked permission first before instaing from the other wolf and how that fits with different people's behavior after the fact.

I think looking over it again and the time stamps of the posts I feel like I can at least understand how as town he could have made it there.

[star-crossed]

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Star: Very strong town sense imo and very consistent/flexible with observations. Super town in my eyes. The one asterisk is that she doesn't seem to want to press on raeko all that much, and I'm not sure I understand why. Considering the possible teamup with Raeko, they might be focused on building town cred before being more aggro on people. Idk, but I don't wanna vote her today for sure.

For me, I was town leaning raeko for having a very stream of consciousness approach that seemed pretty genuine. So kind of foil to T-Force who seemed to be really putting in effort but seemed less genuine in how he was doing so. I have played with her a few times as both town and wolf and she did seem closer to the former. I think most of the other players in this game have a better track record with reading her than me. So I was both glad to see that consensus from other people seemed to be similar to how I felt, but it did scare me a bit that she could be overlooked and was probably being defended by a wolf. It was a relief for me when T-Force pulled what he did because it eliminated a lot of those scarier possibilities for me. I did ask questions as they came up to try to get more to go off, but yeah.

[star-crossed]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

While it is a bummer we lost the blue role, the upside for me is that bug is not blue, from how I am reading the game.

[FreezinIce]

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I have a few new concerns but ill wait to hear from everyone first