TWG 194 - Game Thread

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

I'm just a lot more confident hitting a wolf outside of PRs in this game.

Also unfortunate for you that we haven't played together before because that makes me not trust my tone read on you consistently.

Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

It also means that him being alive makes sense, because if scum shoot someone and it is not in the blocker questions get asked, so the only people scum dbp can actually shoot is p much mml, assuming mml is town. I think that is noteworthy and i just realised that

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

Ok imagine that dbp is wolf and I am town for a second, this world still makes a lot of sense why dbp would idle and claim a block on me right? He wins the game if I am mislynched

I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

@shadowolfe the only person that i referenced dead players on was dbp, and i feel like i have already talked about him a lot and my read on him is pretty clear

And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played

Also wrt to listening to dead player's reads mafia is a team game and trying to do everything on your own is bad play, there is no reason to not take account of other people's thoughts

I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

I guess the scenario where his roleblock is fake is very easy to fake as a wolf.

Keeping MML would just bring more chaos here.

The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

The fact that you agree that if he is wolf and I am town this block is easy to fake

Means that you must consider the world heavily, because if he is wolf and I am town this is likely to happen, therefore his claim raises his towniness none at all and raises my scum equity none at all

Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

I obviously need help for solving this.

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

And yourself in terms of how other people should read you based in dead players' townreads, which is never ever said here or anywhere else I've played



I'm with you here. We do listen to dead reads as a source of confirmed town insight, but there's only so much you can do with em because of the evolving gamestate.

I was mostly saying that because people said I was impossible to townread and I was disputing that fact because others have

But yes dead townies are dead for a reason listening to what they say is good, consistently all the people townreading me dying is a good look for me and I'm not afraid to say that because it is stupid to not point out something that might prevent my lynch when my lynch would lose the game

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

Yeah because it's the only way I can explain the night actions.



The moment I choose to believe you, the night actions don't make sense unless it's exactly ShadoWolfe/Bolth/Jessie.

.. What?
From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

Well, I just want to evaluate both worlds, no more no less.

I obviously need help for solving this.

Resolving both worlds is good I don't expect you to think I'm obvious town and dbp is obvious scum im just showing you this world exists and you should consider it

I can't really get mad at people for being wrong on reading me considering i haven't tried this game, I ma easily tilted as a person so I can be kinds toxic (sorry not like that outside of game). Trust me I get the fact people want to lynch me, arguably on policy but it's up to me show people how they can townread me and how they can scumread dbp, evaluating the world that I believe to exist.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

I don't really do well with "yo generic question here dusk what are all your reads", I feel like I have given up where I am at rn. If you want to engage in a conversation with me it is a lot more effective to pose more specific questions, because I find them more interesting and easier to answer. I do really think just typing up whole readlists aren't great and it is easy to waffle a reason to read everyone when you aren't focusing on one point.

OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

.. What?
From a Haku perspective, dusk being town should shift suspicion to the claimed roleblocker for no killing to strengthen his claim. The 0 partner equity aside, how do you get to exactly me/bolth/jessie based on night actions?

I tend to assume that wolves had little reason to no kill and I know I'm not a thing with MML.
It's also funny to note that no one seems to want to entertain MML blocking "wolf me".
It's like you guys know I rolled town.

You're basically forcing me to try to believe in a sub optimal scenario where DBP no kill on purpose.
This is super awkward if true.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?

Jessie because you thought Bolth/me was reasonable.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

There's a low chance it's Bolth, but that probably won't be solved this phase.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

Well, okay, if I look at posterity, there's a decent chance it's Bolth because Xiz/FG said so and DBP would have told him to try to pocket me or something.

[Duskfall]

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread

OK then let's focus on one point. Assume we DBP today and he flips red. Who do you think his partners are? Why?

I think it is a good look for mml and haku because yesterday/earlier depends on timezone, dbp came into thread trying to force my lynch but not voting me, then he kind of reached out to mml and haku trying to get votes on me. To me this is scum trying to see can he confindently get me lynched and what votes are available, because this was before we ever crossed. Following this logic I believe haku and mml are slightly town spewed so probably not partners.

Which would be as leetic is town cleared cop person thing, that final 2 scum live in bolth/jessie/you

Obviously I haven't liked bolth for a while so I would be happy to lynch him next and send you and jessie to f3