TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

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  • #1831
    T-Force's Rival
    Funnygurl555
    • Dec 2010
    • 1999

    Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

    traditionally wolf teams know of the existence of a lone wolf and i was assuming this game's no different @daikyi
    Originally posted by MixMasterLar
    is funny eaman?
    Can you like not use those stupid names right now? Took me long enough to get these screen names straight in my head
    Originally posted by the sun fan
    GET DUNKED FUNNY
    (eaman is her name irl, friend)

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    • #1832
      "The Quebec Steparatist."
      FFR Simfile Author
      Hateandhatred
      • Feb 2011
      • 1974

      Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

      Originally posted by Not devonin
      Given that Xiz needed people to commit to characters in advance, and implied he would be structuring at least theming around the characters, it sounds like you are wanting to opt into a separate wifom for every single player.

      Did their pick their favourite, from which we can divine their role?
      Did they pick something they thought would get them town/wolf/3p/pr?
      Did they pick something unlike what anybody knew about them?

      What if 10 people all put in characters that would have made sense to be scum? What if only 3 or 4 people put in characters that would have made sense to be town?

      Just feels like a total crapshoot, that maybe we should use for like...tie-breakers but not for picking the goal of the day.
      This post makes me realize I might have poorly expressed myself.

      Of course we can't go straight with this. Hell someone could have random wikipedia'd their characters and that would fuck up the whole thing. I'm asking if you guys are ok with considering this as a potential tool. There may actually be very little accessible info out of this, or even any possibilities to consider, but that may change mid game.

      I personally am fine with including character predictions in my reads if need be, like what I said about Haku a few posts earlier, but a lot of you may be strongly against anyone saying a word about it, because that's not how the game is meant to be played.

      This is more an ethical question than a strategic plan.
      Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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      • #1833
        FFR Player
        Daikyi
        • Dec 2013
        • 10

        Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

        Originally posted by Funnygurl555
        traditionally wolf teams know of the existence of a lone wolf and i was assuming this game's no different @daikyi
        pretty sure it can go both ways, especially in a setup like this. like, it's a random shot whether it was in the pm or not, given that xiz balanced on the fly, but that's stemming a little to close to slopefiring so i'm not passing judgment based on that

        which is why i said, once we see a flip, things will be a lot more clear tbh.

        -----

        back to antori: you answered the question of "why did you kill mellon" with "because i couldn't pick someone else". so to re-ask, why did you specifically select mellon?

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        • #1834
          "The Quebec Steparatist."
          FFR Simfile Author
          Hateandhatred
          • Feb 2011
          • 1974

          Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

          Originally posted by storn42
          xiz making all the alignments based off of characters is a possibility, but it is HIGHLY unlikely.
          Well mine definitely is.
          Dragon's is.
          Mellon's is.
          tambo? Well I'm not too sure lol, but that's not exactly against the idea.

          Highly unlikely? that's a bit over 1/6 of the playerbase so far. We'll see as the game progresses though, but I can't dismiss it as "HIGHLY unlikely".
          Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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          • #1835
            T-Force's Rival
            Funnygurl555
            • Dec 2010
            • 1999

            Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

            Originally posted by Daikyi
            pretty sure it can go both ways, especially in a setup like this. like, it's a random shot whether it was in the pm or not, given that xiz balanced on the fly, but that's stemming a little to close to slopefiring so i'm not passing judgment based on that

            which is why i said, once we see a flip, things will be a lot more clear tbh.

            -----

            back to antori: you answered the question of "why did you kill mellon" with "because i couldn't pick someone else". so to re-ask, why did you specifically select mellon?
            alright, that's fair

            in that case i'll drop the sunfan is town shit, but i still think he's not a wolf
            Originally posted by MixMasterLar
            is funny eaman?
            Can you like not use those stupid names right now? Took me long enough to get these screen names straight in my head
            Originally posted by the sun fan
            GET DUNKED FUNNY
            (eaman is her name irl, friend)

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            • #1836
              FFR Player
              Not devonin
              • Jun 2008
              • 107

              Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

              It feels like there's one too many layers of supposition for -me- to be on board.

              First you have to correctly predict their choice
              THEN you have to correctly predict what Xiz did with their choice.

              But it has always been a thing with me and TWG that I get frustrated with how much of the game is gut reads and induction so I'm not going to like...wolf read somebody who tries to role read somebody but I probably won't be that easily convinced by it and even if I wanted to take part in it, I bet I'd know jack squat about probably 18 to 20 of the choices.

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              • #1837
                "The Quebec Steparatist."
                FFR Simfile Author
                Hateandhatred
                • Feb 2011
                • 1974

                Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                Originally posted by Not devonin
                It feels like there's one too many layers of supposition for -me- to be on board.

                First you have to correctly predict their choice
                THEN you have to correctly predict what Xiz did with their choice.

                But it has always been a thing with me and TWG that I get frustrated with how much of the game is gut reads and induction so I'm not going to like...wolf read somebody who tries to role read somebody but I probably won't be that easily convinced by it and even if I wanted to take part in it, I bet I'd know jack squat about probably 18 to 20 of the choices.
                Yeah ok, that's more along the lines of what I was asking you guys. Thanks for your input!
                Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                • #1838
                  "The Quebec Steparatist."
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  Hateandhatred
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1974

                  Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                  In line with what not devonin brought up, some of us could make guesses based on what they know of the user personally. Not only that's blatantly unfair to others, but that's some serious angleshooting and borderline OOTC.
                  Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                  • #1839
                    RIP Storn D0-D0
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    storn42
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 3481

                    Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                    Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                    Well mine definitely is.
                    Dragon's is.
                    Mellon's is.
                    tambo? Well I'm not too sure lol, but that's not exactly against the idea.

                    Highly unlikely? that's a bit over 1/6 of the playerbase so far. We'll see as the game progresses though, but I can't dismiss it as "HIGHLY unlikely".
                    to call dragon's similar to his alignment isn't really true. its "kinda similar" in that its a animal there is a wolf, and i dont buy that. especially not with the character. And your role might be for your character, but that doesn't mean your alignment is. most of the game is usually going to be members of town. i think its just a coincidence.


                    Originally posted by Xiz
                    "I think storn is town but he doesn't have a shirt on" - Roundbox
                    Originally posted by the sun fan
                    I have beat my meat to storn's posts no less than four times


                    Originally posted by ShadoWolfe


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                    • #1840
                      "The Quebec Steparatist."
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      Hateandhatred
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 1974

                      Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                      Originally posted by storn42
                      to call dragon's similar to his alignment isn't really true. its "kinda similar" in that its a animal there is a wolf, and i dont buy that.
                      I might be influenced by how I litterally thought "dragon is gonna pick a dog/wolf anthropomorphic character and is therefore gonna flip wolf" before the game ever started lol.
                      Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                      • #1841
                        "The Quebec Steparatist."
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        Hateandhatred
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 1974

                        Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                        Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                        - dragon is probably wolf for angleshooting reasons. Pls disregard or I might get banned.
                        Like that's what I was thinking when I posted that
                        Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                        • #1842
                          FFR Player
                          Not devonin
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 107

                          Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                          Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                          I might be influenced by how I litterally thought "dragon is gonna pick a dog/wolf anthropomorphic character and is therefore gonna flip wolf" before the game ever started lol.
                          As long as you're aware of the confirmation bias and don't let it give you undue confidence in other reads, accounting for role guesses in your evaluations is probably fine.

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                          • #1843
                            FFR Veteran
                            Antori
                            • Aug 2018
                            • 296

                            Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                            Originally posted by Daikyi
                            back to antori: you answered the question of "why did you kill mellon" with "because i couldn't pick someone else". so to re-ask, why did you specifically select mellon?
                            :3 because mellon was the only player that contributed to the game without getting any spotlight, svaz was a close candidate but he wasn't active enough.
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                            • #1844
                              FFR Player
                              Not devonin
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 107

                              Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                              So you.......opted to kill somebody who was contributing to the game, that you didn't wolf read.....?

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                              • #1845
                                "The Quebec Steparatist."
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                Hateandhatred
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 1974

                                Re: TWG 187: Senpai [Game Thread]

                                Originally posted by Not devonin
                                As long as you're aware of the confirmation bias and don't let it give you undue confidence in other reads, accounting for role guesses in your evaluations is probably fine.
                                I dunno, I was 100% on this before the flip lol. But to be fair, that's also the only user I was like 100% sure of as well. Aside from Haku now which I'm pretty darn sure I know what he picked based on his role. But I don't intend to let that block other observations as far as his alignment is concerned.

                                I don't really have much for anyone else, but I guess the takeaway is that if I do get such suspicions in the future, I'll keep 'em to myself?

                                I'm probably dead, like, really fucking soon anyway.
                                Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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