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  • #1006
    Waifus
    AragakiAyase
    • Apr 2015
    • 1004

    Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

    ok w/e, for better or for worse I'm probably going to dislike shado's progression raeko for the whole game

    better things to move on to atm:

    witch needs to start posting more
    as does jade harley
    as does proph, and preferably real time interactions because it's easy to hide behind wallposts as a wolf imo

    pikakirby123 reincarnated





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    • #1007
      Sectional Moderator
      Sectional Moderator
      mellonxcollie
      • Dec 2006
      • 1304

      Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

      Originally posted by TWG Jade Harley
      im really sorry but i legitimately dont see whats wrong with my first few posts :[

      im making a sort of big post that will hopefully give you more stuff to discuss though!!!
      I brought up that your entrance was weird too. I think it might have to do with your roleplay character and the short, choppy sentences? That sort of style could be easily faked as a wolf. It could also be the fact that you just showed up and made a few short posts and then left, but I think that makes sense given the timing
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      • #1008
        Waifus
        AragakiAyase
        • Apr 2015
        • 1004

        Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

        Originally posted by Hakulyte
        ^ That looks pretty towny for a read list btw. (oshi- Haku is defending Shado, how dare he)
        why do you think it's towny

        pikakirby123 reincarnated





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        • #1009
          aka Haku
          Hakulyte
          • Jul 2005
          • 4750

          Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

          Originally posted by AragakiAyase
          why do you think it's towny
          If I made a read list now, it would look about the same.

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          • #1010
            FFR Player
            Prophylaxis
            • Feb 2017
            • 5

            Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

            Originally posted by Sunfan
            There was another good read but I don't remember it because HE HAS TOO MANY GOOD READS.
            Explain what kind of GOOD READS I have, since I don't think I came with anything too groundbreaking, just read the thread and reported my thoughts. I'm honestly a little surprised that you read my post as that townie given that it's pretty much a single post I could easily fake as scum, as AA can attest.

            Other than that, Sunfan's readwall speaks to me and how I play, so I'm wary of him for now but want to trust him.

            Originally posted by Sunfan
            No, I'm not much of one for digging. Consider the fact that a lot of people have voted for her as "Best Scum 2016" as proof enough imo.
            Mmm, if she was voted for Best Scum 2016 then I'm kind of worried I might be pocketed then. She seemed pretty transparent in the Turbo but I didn't really get to see much of her play since I spent the last two hours of that Day 2 constantly apologizing and whining.

            715 - I don't think Sunfan/shadoW are w/w, I don't think shadoW takes a dunk on his scumbuddy's post as scum immediately. The lack of vote there is kind of curious, though.

            Ehhh. Maybe maybe not. 722 is bizarre coming after that post, where shadoW says that Sunfan is his "top wolf read" and then like OUT OF THE BLUE (Charu's post strong mindmeld btw) talks about mellon. Like, what?

            ShadoWolfe - Can you clarify your sunfan/mellon scumreads? Do you think they both can be scum together?

            The paranoia about mellon lurking feels kind of genuine from ShadoW, though? I dunno. It's the easiest thing to hit on in the world if he's scum but the sentiment feels /real/.

            My view of this is. If mellonx is scum, then she'll be forced to post because lurking as scum kills you as scum. No way lurking scum are going to get to endgame while I'm alive, and scum winning while playing under the radar only seems possible if the rest of the town was not that great. In the games I've played, scum need to post or get lynched.

            Aragaki - is there a reason why you're constantly voting the people who are.. just not here? I get using the vote, but it honestly feels like you're [voting X] -> [make them show up] -> [move on to next].

            dbp's catchup does not really inspire me. dbp, can you do like an organized reads post like mine instead of quote striping and responding to things from pages and pages ago?

            Originally posted by AA
            going through your ISO, why is there so much shading of people in it shado?
            OOG question, is there an easy way to ISO people this game?

            Originally posted by DaBackpack
            I'll look into this more deeply in a bit, but from now on, can you not remove the link to the post you're quoting when you quote posts? it makes it harder to validate what you're saying, as well as analyze the context of what you're posting
            Fair. I dislike using the quote button (I prefer to quote manually) but I'll try to change that up for this game.

            Kind of like AA's 813? Reminds me of Ice Cream Mafia where he did a similar thing with dyachei in that he went through her posts.

            817 is a pretty solid post/case by AA and it echoes my thoughts on shadoW, specifically, his shading stuff is kind of worrisome.

            Originally posted by AragakiAyase
            proph when you see this I'd like for you to interact in real time if possible
            Yes, yes, I understand, I'll try to do my best to be abreast of the thread and to do real time interactions. Just, as you know, difficult with school and stuff.

            Skimming more posts because I want to interact in real time and there are soo many posts.

            ----

            Tentative townlean on AA because he feels similar to Ice Cream; actively digging through and casing people based on mindsets. I'm still kind of at a loss with this read because like I said last game I don't really have any idea on how to accurately read AA game to game because his scum game is pretty good, but I like his content and engagement level here.

            mellon does feel defensive but I don't think it's really that alignment indicative? If people started to sling mud at me for being Not Here then I'd get pretty salty as well regardless of alignment. Kind of notched her a bit lower because of her good scum game but her posts seem OK for the most part?

            924 is a pretty nuanced read on AA IMO and one that I like.

            Charu feels pretty "there", like I read 3 pages and literally none of his posts/one liners have stood out to me. That is a little concerning.

            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            I'm sad because I have a town read on Jade Harley, but I wanted to see interactions because I thought there was room for things to discuss here.

            rip.
            Why do you have a townread on Jade?

            ShadoW: Explain these reads?
            Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
            Okay everything is muddled up right now and I'm not really in a good place but here:

            DBP is probably town
            Xel probably town

            Idk if anyone can tell but I basically was not okay about ten minutes ago. Being really sick to the point of "elephant skin" + this game just wasn't a good combo. Mainly to recover my dignity and pride as a player, I'm going to work my way back into this game. I'm just going to not give a fuck about people's reads on me for awhile and try to solve what I can. If that causes me to get lynched then so be it, but here's hoping we all come to our senses come tomorrow morning.
            Also the bolded feels fairly genuine, and I was going to end this post with a vote on shadoW but I'm a little less sure after this post.

            I like my vote on Jade Harley for now; haven't really seen anything from that slot that would change my read on her and the only thing she posted was the "you're a meanie" thing which is obviously NAI.

            Reads, questions, plz.

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            • #1011
              [Kaho]
              FFR Simfile Author
              XelNya
              • Sep 2012
              • 3372

              Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

              Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
              Yeah, I said this earlier but the string of posts he made while waiting in an Overwatch queue struck me as exceedingly genuine, with a tad of worry that he would be misunderstood and accused of being a wolf again.

              Nothing's really stuck out for me from him since.
              I have zero idea where people get the notion I considered I'd get scum read for those posts.

              It never crossed my mind

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              • #1012
                aka Haku
                Hakulyte
                • Jul 2005
                • 4750

                Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                Originally posted by Prophylaxis
                Why do you have a townread on Jade?
                The few games I played with FreezinIce in the past involves him constantly getting mislynched for posting in a similar manner has he did here.

                I'm not talking about roleplay, but about saying things that appears as fairly wolfy. I tend to believe the point of the play was to bait others and get some reactions as someone who dislikes "meta based plays".

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                • #1013
                  FFR Player
                  Prophylaxis
                  • Feb 2017
                  • 5

                  Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                  Originally posted by XelNya
                  I have zero idea where people get the notion I considered I'd get scum read for those posts.

                  It never crossed my mind
                  Hi.

                  I've read your posts from the time I got initially caught up this afternoon and now, and I see nothing except for a vote on Charu because he was saying "vote me".

                  You've made very little impression on my brain thus far.

                  I'm assuming that your vote on Charu is not serious; if so, who are your scumreads? What are your thoughts on the whole mellon/ShadoW incident that blew up while I was gone? I know you're townreading ShadoW, but what is your read on mellon?

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                  • #1014
                    FFR Player
                    Prophylaxis
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 5

                    Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                    Originally posted by Hakulyte
                    The few games I played with FreezinIce in the past involves him constantly getting mislynched for posting in a similar manner has he did here.

                    I'm not talking about roleplay, but about saying things that appears as fairly wolfy. I tend to believe the point of the play was to bait others and get some reactions as someone who dislikes "meta based plays".
                    Fair, fair. I want to give Freezin the benefit of the doubt but there has literally been nothing from that slot thus far, so.

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                    • #1015
                      aka Haku
                      Hakulyte
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 4750

                      Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                      Originally posted by Prophylaxis
                      Fair, fair. I want to give Freezin the benefit of the doubt but there has literally been nothing from that slot thus far, so.
                      Yeah, I feel like his slot should have gotten more pressure regardless of what I think.

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                      • #1016
                        [Kaho]
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        XelNya
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 3372

                        Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                        Originally posted by Prophylaxis
                        Hi.

                        I've read your posts from the time I got initially caught up this afternoon and now, and I see nothing except for a vote on Charu because he was saying "vote me".

                        You've made very little impression on my brain thus far.

                        I'm assuming that your vote on Charu is not serious; if so, who are your scumreads? What are your thoughts on the whole mellon/ShadoW incident that blew up while I was gone? I know you're townreading ShadoW, but what is your read on mellon?
                        I'll get this when I get home.

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                        • #1017
                          FFR Player
                          ShadoWolfe
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 171

                          Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                          Originally posted by thesunfan
                          I think Haku is pretty clearly town. I'd put him one tier beneath "should never be lynched this game." Same shit as last game; convoluted thoughts that he is known to have an impossible time emulating as a wolf.

                          Charu's comparable to Lar in that I haven't disliked anything he's done. The read on # of posts people have made is more likely to come from town Charu, and he has an air of seriousness around his posts, despite von Karma images and such. I'd be surprised if I was wrong on this one.

                          I think Proph is doing things that make sense for him to do as town. His read on raeko's read on green text is especially a good look for him. Him asking me a question after posting about how he was excited to play with me lines up well in a way that I don't think wolves usually think about. There was another good read but I don't remember it because HE HAS TOO MANY GOOD READS.(??) From what I understand AA et al dumpstered him in a game on MU so I don't expect him to be tooooo good of a wolf, so that's part of why the read is so strong.

                          Lar is doing consistent things.(!!!!) I have to admit that I'm not really sure if I know how to catch Lar when he's a wolf, and that I am probably more likely to misread him than read him correctly. I don't dislike anything he's done in the sense that I haven't found anything that I don't think makes sense for him to do as a wolf. I kinda can't justify him as a nullread if he's posted this much and I haven't disliked anything, if that makes sense. He's my weakest townread.

                          not gonna touch on Witch, raeko, DBP, Harley or roundbox very much. I should have a more developed read on roundbox rn but I don't. Its a "me" thing not a "him" thing so I'll work on that later. Raeko I can't really read that well, especially early on. I'll be looking for the same stuff that let me read her strongly as town last game but its too early to tell atm. I'm leaving DBP alone for now as well. Already talked about Harley; I do admit that I have 3/4 votes as townleans but I don't care too too much about that rn. Probably at least 1 wolf in these names so I'm gonna work on expanding the list

                          the other 3 are more "fry-squint" than scumleans

                          AA has said some things that I really didn't like, followed by explanations that make me feel a bit better about him. He initially posted about going afk because he felt a tunnel developing on shado, which I thought made no fucking sense for AA to do, but I think I misread what he was saying there. There was another one that I don't remember rn. He's not matching my expectations of him this game, basically. My weakest of the "fry squints," and if he's town I expect to be able to read him correctly sooner rather than later.

                          Xel is being underwhelming again but its again too early to say for sure. I don't care too much about his string of posts about queuing in Overwatch, but I do want it known that he would ABSOLUTELY do it as a wolf even though he was scumread for it last game.

                          Shado I've talked a little bit about already. The thing I dislike the most about him was where, honestly, it felt like he was trying to flip the table on me. He more subtly-than-not equated two things, one of which I said and one of which I didn't, and threw that back at me, relating sense of humor to personality. After seeing Shado wolf last game and during Secret Hitler in lTWG, I think that I have a much better grasp of his wolfgame than I did before. I think I even texted AA as such.

                          jesus this post took longer to type than I thought it would
                          Okay, I see why you keep asking about "generalizations". When I was writing that post, I remember writing "lack of specificity, broad generalizations, ...." and then erasing "lack of specificity because I didn't want to be redundant. I shouldn't have erased it, because they aren't the same thing. Two things that stood out to me on reread is.. how does he know what if Prophs reads are right or not? and why did he skip over so many people?

                          I've put generalizations in bold, lack of specificity in underlined italics, combination in both, and exclamations/questionmarks between parentheses are from me.





                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                          Originally posted by XelNya
                          " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                          Originally posted by mellon_collie
                          "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                          • #1018
                            FFR Player
                            Witch of Certainty
                            • Feb 2017
                            • 5

                            Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                            State of my thoughts in no real order:
                            Charu is a town lean since I agree with/like (almost) everything he's pointed out so far and I get a sense of genuine town interest.

                            I like Backpack's content, as well as his responding to my question eariler by trying to bring up something specific to discuss (as I understood) , so he gets a solid town lean.

                            sunfan/AA look town from genuine-seeming work to figure things out.

                            Haku strikes me as showing a good deal of genuine town intent as well.

                            Shado is a town lean, I don't think a wolf risks attention and/or votes by getting into a fight like that.

                            A (slighter) lean goes to mellon for the aggressiveness on her end, however.

                            MML pushed the "UTR mellon" issue a little too much for my taste, but that's null. Un-wolfish level of aggressiveness as well. Pressuring someone into posting then criticizing them for being defensive and not really having anything to add is bad, however.

                            I like Proph's thoughts just now.

                            All others null.

                            Other notes:
                            To clarify the Backpack read, the purpose of that question was not an attempt at focusing the discussion (because bringing things out of RVS/shitpost mode is far from my strong suit) but to prompt others to bring up how and with what they would, and Backpack gave the best answer (not "someone will make a vote and content will happen" or an attempt to analyze me, but attempting to raise a topic for general discussion (whether those who hadn't spoken yet were suspicious for it or not), regardless of whether it got anywhere.

                            AA seems to be starting to tunnel Shado about the mellon issue.

                            @AragakiAyase #700 How/Why did Charu quoting my post and his reply lead you to see there wasn't any follow up when you apparently didn't before?

                            @thesunfan Your vote is still on XelNya. Is it still the meta read? Further/Other reasons? Just waiting for something else (more) worth voting to come up? Should I sheep you now? Or then?

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                            • #1019
                              Waifus
                              AragakiAyase
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 1004

                              Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                              @proph I vote people and move because there are many people who need pressure in this game

                              pikakirby123 reincarnated





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                              • #1020
                                FFR Player
                                ShadoWolfe
                                • Jun 2009
                                • 171

                                Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

                                Originally posted by XelNya
                                I have zero idea where people get the notion I considered I'd get scum read for those posts.

                                It never crossed my mind
                                Oh??

                                Originally posted by XelNya
                                He complains, knowing, no one in this game actually cares. They probably just see this and are reminded of last game.

                                A pity.





                                Originally posted by Hakulyte
                                I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                                Originally posted by XelNya
                                " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                                Originally posted by YoshL
                                "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                                Originally posted by mellon_collie
                                "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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