TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

No one ever takes me seriously.

me irl

get it because irl is live twg basically

I would appreciate some reads from you though.

[blindreper1179]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

No one ever takes me seriously.

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

choof considering you're probably deddo tonight and night talk is off got anything you wanna say?

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Ah.
well that makes more sense then.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

I'm not saying I buy it, the claim that is, 100%, but you made it seem like blind claimed after the knowledge that there was an outed SK was available.

I was meaning to highlight that he explicitly claimed Mason in a more serious setting after choof's Serial Killer claim. No one (aside from Curry and Rice) treated his claim seriously from the start of Day 0.

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

I was thinking about that too, but blindreper made that claim at a time when no one would really buy it. That he went back to the Mason defence after being voted by choof is what I find odd (the claim at the beginning may have just been serendipitous). blindreper has done some crazy things in past games, but I feel like legitimately claiming Mason Day 0 might be a bit much even for him.

I'm not saying I buy it, the claim that is, 100%, but you made it seem like blind claimed after the knowledge that there was an outed SK was available.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Blind claimed before choof did.

I was thinking about that too, but blindreper made that claim at a time when no one would really buy it. That he went back to the Mason defence after being voted by choof is what I find odd (the claim at the beginning may have just been serendipitous). blindreper has done some crazy things in past games, but I feel like legitimately claiming Mason Day 0 might be a bit much even for him.

[Curry and Rice]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Curry and Rice, you asked reuben_tate a question and he answered. What do you make of his response and his other posts in the thread? Do you feel that he's Human or a Wolf?

I don't think his response, despite being arguably contradictory, is necessarily alignment indicative, but I find his vote suspicious (along with Blind's vote, hopping on my joke vote, as if to try and form a genuine wagon). Right now, I'd consider Vendetta as somebody to be cautious about, but I don't support that lynch.

[j-rodd123]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Votes from post 1 to post 600
Night in 3:25:18
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- reuben_tate -- DaBackpack (26), Charles Claythorne (13), Vendetta21 (122), Curry and Rice (28)
• 3 -- Curry and Rice -- MrPopadopalis25 (39), Nydus (5), Red Blaster (66)
• 2 -- Vendetta21 -- reuben_tate (21), blindreper1179 (29)
• 1 -- DarkManticoreX2 -- roundbox (30)
• 1 -- blindreper1179 -- choof (97)
• 1 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (69)
• 1 -- not voting -- DarkManticoreX2 (19)

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

I've been ruminating over it for a bit, but blindreper's Mason claim seems off to me. It seems like a great time to false claim the Role as a Wolf with a claimed Serial Killer and an Innocent Child outed. Not to mention that the claim can't be pushed to substantiate since Humans wouldn't want to risk having more Masons outed. blindreper, aside from Vendetta21, do you have any other suspicions? And people you believe are Human?

If the claim is to be believed though, then the setup has MMM for three of the seven letters, and then either TTT or T, to account for a Serial Killer.

Blind claimed before choof did.

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

I've been ruminating over it for a bit, but blindreper's Mason claim seems off to me. It seems like a great time to false claim the Role as a Wolf with a claimed Serial Killer and an Innocent Child outed. Not to mention that the claim can't be pushed to substantiate since Humans wouldn't want to risk having more Masons outed. blindreper, aside from Vendetta21, do you have any other suspicions? And people you believe are Human?

If the claim is to be believed though, then the setup has MMM for three of the seven letters, and then either TTT or T, to account for a Serial Killer.

[blindreper1179]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

youre doing a piss poor job substantiating your bullshit claim
i dont believe youre a mason for a second, prove to me that you are at least remotely town aligned

I don't know how to prove it, though plop made good points. I'm going against the grain right now, why would I do that as scum?

[Charles Claythorne]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

I was actually away, but left FFR up.


Also, I have a question for you myself, Ben. Although you might not be able to give me much information based on where you're reading right now, what else do you think about Zenith's posts aside from "forced" (if anything)? I do agree that the particular quote about minimally posting is... weird, to say the least (also, thank you for reminding me of its existence), but how do you think his supposed self-preservation attempts hold up (to you, are they more town or wolf, especially in light of some of the more recent pages)?

I dunno, but I think it's just the way Zenith posts in general that gives me bad vibes, regardless of his alignment (kind of like how especially in past games, Red would be often mislynched since everyone read him wrong). I wanted to say though that his especially forced posts and my gut feeling was telling me something was up with zenith this game.

However, I just got to his megapost on page 17 and the tone of the that post feels more genuine to me. Also, I know it's possible, but I can't imagine a wolf with Zenith's level of experience making a post of that length and detail.

Curry and Rice, you asked reuben_tate a question and he answered. What do you make of his response and his other posts in the thread? Do you feel that he's Human or a Wolf?

>Mashi I'm sorry Choof/Myself must be against each other as a W/V at some point (been waiting for the game where Choof is a wolf and I'm Human).

>Red and V went back and forth quite a bit last night. I must naturally assume everyone in this game townreads V for him to be explicitly picking the brains out of an individual; more on the inactive players.

Hwaiting!!!

Regarding Vendetta21, although I'm not suspicious of him, I definitely am not going to let him slide off easy. I've seen him play as a Wolf before and intense pressuring, high activity, frequent interrogations, and the like are all things I expect of him. I'm a bit worried about why he seems to think Dabackpack and I are Human (we're on the lower end of quantity of posts), but I imagine his stating such in absolute terms isn't him meaning to say they're inelastic reads.

I'm conflicted regarding what to make of reuben_tate's entrance into the thread. His suspicions are weak (basically amounting to him finding Zenith suspicious for posting oddly). His Vendetta21 suspicion though, seems abrupt to me. His vote on him seems a bit like OMGUS to me, but I don't know if that's seen more from Wolves than Humans.


I highly disagree on a Vendetta21. He's a scary Wolf, but no one lynches the most active, content-making poster on Day 0. If he does something suspicious or turns out to be a Wolf somehow later, we can lynch him then. But Day 0 is an information lynch and lynching the person making the most information isn't the way to go.

You want to tell me that my unvote wasn't justified when people were bitching about a three-way KitB?

1 wagon is V whom everyone is neutral about. They read him as either town or wolf as his whole agenda D0 isn't a tell of which alignment he is more alike.

Other wagon is Reuben who people are claiming that he is performing his usual Wolf D0 tactic, which I'm still off of but I couldn't complain.

Last wagon is Curry which yet again, people bitched about his townieness and why he shouldn't be lynch today.

Tell me again why my unvoting there wasn't justified.

How did you go from believing everyone thinks Vendetta21 is Human to everyone thinks he's neutral?

I would shoot Mashi to be honest.

My only scum read outside of curry is charles due to his isolated way of posting. He makes big, carefully constructed posts but dips out of conversation. It's like he's in his own little world, or in the timekeeper's booth at a hockey game: at once a part of the game but removed from it as well. I'd love to hear more from him in the form of dialogue rather than monologue.

wth chariplop, i thought small post count, high post content was our thing qq

[Red Blaster]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

lol @ there being 3 pages of discussion between red blaster and vendetta21

oh wait i forgot all caps

RED BLASTER COMES OFF AS A BIT MORE HUMAN TO ME BASED ON THE INTERACTION, PARTICULARLY IN HIS DEFENCE OF REUBEN_TATE DUE TO HIS INACTIVITY. HE PUTS HIMSELF IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND IT WOULD BE VERY BOLD OF HIM TO DEFEND A WOLF PARTNER (EVEN MORE SO A HUMAN) IF HE'S A WOLF.

GIVING THE LENGTH OF THEIR INTERACTION, I THINK A VENDETTA21-RED BLASTER PARTNERSHIP IS UNLIKELY. I 100% EXPECT VENDETTA21 TO HAVE FAKE CONVERSATIONS WITH HIS WOLF PARTNERS, BUT I DON'T THINK RED BLASTER IS THE TYPE TO LET IT GO ON FOR 3 WHOLE PAGES.


WHY DO YOU TRUST DABACKPACK AND ME?

ALSO, I HAVE BEEN ADULTERATED BY THE BLOOD OF ALL THE WOLVES I HAVE KILLED. I AM FEARED AS THE WEREWOLF KILLER... PERSON... OF DOOM!!!


Okay, I finished my apple, so I can type with both hands now. hul

was it really 3 pages? i had no idea

[Curry and Rice]

Re: TWG CXXXIV: C9++: The Last of You GAME THREAD

Okay, I feel good about my curry suspicions. Last game when he was town he was a lot more jubilant, joking and goofing around and being able to take criticism about himself with a grain of salt.

The confirmation bias in this post is... appalling? Astounding? Your reasoning overall is baffling, given that most of your "facts" rely on opinions that can easily be refuted by someone with opposing opinions.

Examples!

You say I was "joking and goofing around" more last game, yet the definition of such is so vague you can say that no matter the amount of joking content present (and you do seem to have ignored a number of less serious posts, just a few of which are quoted below).

A+

what are you implying

why do i always end up posting at the beginning of a page

Vendetta21

I can't help but not trust third-party Choof.

To be fair, I have been trying to make more content-heavy/relevant posts (as evidenced by my first few posts in the game), rather than merely a sparse sentence or two; however, this is more due to my (attempted) scheduling changes and the fact that I actually want to contribute some opinions in case I am killed early again.

He was also a more active and opinionated voice, commenting on events and posts that weren't directed at him more often and with more depth, always theorizing and exploring the possibilities with what we now know was a genuine perspective. I'm not seeing that as much this game.

I have done this, and I would say that I have done so with more depth than last game (though this is itself an opinion; see above paragraph). The issues about me are part of the events of the game. I'm not sure why you're implying that addressing them should be a bad thing (and it's usually an expected thing, actually, at least where I'm used to playing). As I mentioned before, considering there was little or nothing else to comment on at the time, your comment makes little sense.

What I'm seeing is defensive play and bare minimum commentary about this and that.

This is where opinions especially play in. As I have said before, your definitions, especially that of the word "defensive" seem to be so vague and malleable they could be applied to anybody. As I have also stated previously, making a "defense" is different from being defensive. I believe you are confusing the two.

I see a lot of "Seems weird to me" or "Not sure what to think" or "I have my eyes on" types of comments with little explanation underlying them.

I did that last game as well. A quick search yields these quotes (on the same page, even! Wow!).

I'm not sure exactly where I'd place them, though

I'm not sure about a Cold Kitten lynch, but I'd consider switching to DaBackpack.

Also, compare the abundance of words and points that he uses in posts defending himself to the dearth of words used when he points elsewhere.

That is fairly normal for me, although, I assure you, if I am dead set on an accusation, I will pursue it relentlessly. I am not at that stage yet. Now, a few examples!

Wait wait wait if you're serious why would you do that? With an Innocent Child role, unless there are two doctors (and maybe even if there are...), one of you is going to die during Night. If you're the one that's hit, then your mason partner can't really make a believable claim (and you run the risk of a wolf claiming mason instead), which will hurt the humans later down the line.

I'm assuming/hoping you're not serious.

First of all, this:

That's a surefire way to not get anywhere on the lynch, though given how the first day seems to play out here, we have at least some time to work things out regarding the lynch. Overall, though, nothing's going to be accomplished by repeatedly juggling around such a topic.

Last game, Zenith was a replacement, so I could not see how he behaved early in the game, unlike you... hence my comment about the precedent.

I came out of this post learning nothing more than when I entered. It seems to me like a post to give the appearance of high effort (essentially just to tell people you're paying attention and/or contributing), especially with parts like:

Also, I have a question for you myself, Ben. Although you might not be able to give me much information based on where you're reading right now, what else do you think about Zenith's posts aside from "forced" (if anything)? I do agree that the particular quote about minimally posting is... weird, to say the least (also, thank you for reminding me of its existence), but how do you think his supposed self-preservation attempts hold up (to you, are they more town or wolf, especially in light of some of the more recent pages)?

By this point last game he had also posted a well-formed reads list, whereas this game I'm struggling to know where he stands aside from his views on v, zenith and myself.

I only have strong opinions on a few people on either end of the spectrum. I don't want to make a reads list that doesn't accomplish anything, considering I have already stated opinions on a number of people (which don't necessarily fall into strict categories).

He seems hesitant to voice opinions, and I think that's because he has no opinions

Insanely subjective and completely false. That's all I have to say about that. Now, excuse me, but I must eat.