TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I will get out of the habit of making massive, unreadable attack posts someday. Today is not that day.

V has:
- had a lower postcount than usual
- avoided the only two wagons we've seen, aside from the one on pntballa
- shown a disconnect between what he's saying and what he's thinking
- stated the obvious
- prodded without intent of gathering information
- suggested suspicion without showing conviction
- only attacked the newest player in the game

Lynch.



Repost:

Town, vote with me if you think V is a wolf, but don't blindly follow. If you disagree, vote elsewhere. An organic lynch process will give us more information.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

re-bolding for great justice. V

V has 10 posts. The low total is not suspicious on its own, but it's unusual for V; again, acting out of character is not suspicious on its own, but it amplifies other signals he's emitting.

Here are 7 of V's posts in chronological order.

I've been trying to step back a little more on day one as in games past I have dominated the outcome and felt that it has only hurt the game. What I've seen is a lot of noise, and not a lot of signal. I think some things people are doing are genuinely weird.

I wouldn't call danceguy wolfy. Don't think he's a good lynch candidate. Changing his vote four times on day one? Either he's so self-aware of how he plays (doubtful) that he can playfully mimic his human game as a wolf or he's a human who has the drive to just do something to get the game started. What this indicates to me is that the people who are jumping on this are just bad at reading (more possible) or wolf (less possible) but depending on how you navigate and organize your thoughts in a game like this, I would make a note on in your .txt or on your piece of paper on day 1 of who jumped on the danceguy train.

Jrodd is handing out villa reads like they're ACLU pamphlets or something. This is somewhat interesting to me. I feel there's something cocky going on here, might be getting a little too full of his abilities. This is a thing to watch.

I haven't read a word fiction has wrote yet. And most everyone else didn't peak my attention.

But so far on day one charu takes the fucking cake (lol) for posting absolutely nothing of merit, making a concerted effort to appear visible, and having the most placating and neutral tone in the game. Yeah I get that part of that is his personality from talking on mumble, but I still get a strong sense of detachment from him actually playing.

With this post, V

- avoids the amassing wagon on me
- gives helpful but generic advice
- places a vote on a new player

A little weird, but not alarming. Moving on.

i spent the six hours i was going to spend writing my diatribe on a bus today helping a friend navigate the seattle bus system, and i didn't realize i was running out of time. saw the day end lynch literally when i was dowtown outside the exiting crowds of the sounders game in shitty traffic with bad service. i'm pretty disappointed in myself for not paying better attention.

will post my full day 1 analysis on tuesday.

V's alibi for not being available is probably true regardless of his role. What strikes me here is his use of the word "diatribe." Townies post diatribes when they are convinced they've spotted a wolf. V's Day 1 vote wasn't all that forceful, and he begins Day 2 with...

So let's start off this phase right. Jrodd and fiction it doesn't really matter what roles you are you are playing this game with way too much confidence.

I always find confidence, while being an extremely attractive quality, to also lead to a lack of self-awareness. You get happy, you get comfortable, you stop scrutinizing yourself for how you can improve, and then your presence of mind fades. The GM of my company is excessively confident and he wears magnet bracelets and those minima shoes with individual toe pockets. No one will tell him he's ridiculous, and he rarely exists in that state of mind where he applies scrutiny to himself.

The question this brings me to ask you two is why are you so comfortable with your playstyle right now? I mean jrodd calls out every villager read and then changes it later. Fiction literally posts every single thought that pops into his head. Are you just that good that your unfettered opinions are all you need to bring to the table?

And I guess the far bigger, far more pressing question is why are you both so comfortable that you decided to argue about your dispositions at night? And I don't care about your rationalizations for the arguments specifics since there is barely any acceptable reason to do that in any game and I believe both of you were fully cognizant of your rationalizations when you posted.

Far more interesting to me is how you rationalize your comfort with the behavoir, what made you open in the first place to chosing to behave in that way during that time -- what were you seeking to gain? This is the question I can't anwser.

Interesting thoughts, but in no way aggressive. His use of the word "diatribe" combined with his apparent lack of convictions shows a disconnect between what he's saying and what he's thinking.

Day 1 was mostly a lot of danceguy, fiction, and jrodd arguing.

Using activity as a litmus test for humanness I wouldn't really consider any of them high priority targets because to be that active that early into the game is the sort of things humans with experience do. Fiction is the only person I don't give this sort of deference to completely because he has sweet talked his way through a wolf role many times.

Still the person who stands out to me the most is charu, and that's because his tone still has a sort of friendly reticence to it. It's the sort of thing the concerns me because his meta has already established that you can't expect much out of him. (Probably because he is too dumb and/or emotionally walled off by that pleasant exterior to actually say how he feels about something.)

Manti definitely is wolfy for his whining about the lack of powers of a wolf role, but to bandwagon this early makes me feel like we are wasting our time with many hours left in the phase. I don't feel like this is such a wholly condemning tell to kill him just yet. He also hasn't really provided anything useful to think about this game. I ask myself what we are gaining by bandwagoning manti right now, and given the lack of prods and attacks I feel it is not much. His day one play was pretty lackluster though.

Manti do you really feel that in order for you to play this game successfully you must rely on my browbeating of others? I kinda think that is horseshit, and has almost become this trope you subscribe to. I feel like you were successful in this game well before I started playing with you. I mean I guess it's always possible that your play has become shitty and lazy because you've found someone else to do the work for you.

I'm concerned about the replacements. Replacing has a strong tendency to help wolves and wolves tend to do this when they realize that they don't feel up to the challenge of lying for two weeks straight.

TPS222

I'm curious as to what made you vote manti and I also want to know your opinion of danceguy and crazyjayde thus far.

Talks a lot about Charu and Manti, and then votes TPS. Zoning in for a sec here:

Manti definitely is wolfy for his whining about the lack of powers of a wolf role

It doesn't sound like V believes what he's saying. The reasoning is bogus too SORRY JRODD

but to bandwagon this early makes me feel like we are wasting our time with many hours left in the phase.

Manti had 3 votes on him (4 from insta). This is out of place and sounds forced.

Next post:

Defensive without any offensive. Hmm.

Suggests suspicion of Manti without ever placing a vote. V could be avoiding piling onto a mislynch, avoiding voting his teammate, or focusing on an easier target (Charu).

As a baseline a question I tend to ask myself about each player is "why are they playing this game? What motivates them to play TWG?" This is perhaps the first and most valuable question one must ask about a player.

Some people like a puzzle they can never be sure if they are solving or not. Some people like to obsess over the details to find some logical or behavioral aberration. Some people like to display how smart they are. None of these seem to fit you. Do you get why that concerns me?

It concerns me because it leaves me with two ways of perceiving your behavior. The first is that you are only playing because you like this environment in which others are forced to read and respond to what you say because it's a pretty good way for your attention-seeking behaviors to be sated. The second is that you are riding your internet facsimile of a personality that has a least some recognition here on these forums because you were thrown a tough role in an uncomfortable environment.

I called you dumb, and then no sooner than the letters left my fingertips you acted dumb. It lead me to believe that the response was adaptive. You write clean, complete sentences. You ask questions. And yet you miss blaringly obvious details about Manti. I give you my impression of you and you run with it faster. I interpret that as a veil you are using to defend yourself, to keep yourself walled off from actually making commitments, or giving analysis, or anything at all.

I'm going to watch you eat rope, charu.

A quick return to V's usual style. Not telling in itself.

Charu you aren't thriving here, that is a perception only you are holding.

The thing you are missing about Manti is the obvious wolf tell that people are openly discussing. It was my hope that in making that point clear you might consider reviewing the thread and look for what I was talking about. That thought apparently didn't cross your mind?

You are tasked with trying to find lying liars through the lies they tell. Manti currently has three votes and you are softly defending him and ignoring what is wolfy?

I also don't think your personality is incapable of playing this game, I just think you are chosing not to engage. You don't pay to enter a starcraft tournament so that you can talk to your opponents. You do that to beat them at starcraft.

Refers to Manti again

The thing you are missing about Manti is the obvious wolf tell that people are openly discussing.

I have to believe that a town V would see an "obvious wolf tell" from Manti and attack instead of going after a new player. Townie V goes for the glory. That doesn't match what I'm seeing.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I don't know who should explain because this is a circle of i know what fiction's thinking/Fic expects certain things of me.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I know it sounds like I'm defending you, but truly, I can't be the only one failing to see this.

I'll explain because I know where Fic's coming from.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I'll make the post anyway once this is over fic. Stop nagging me!

[Charu]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I know it sounds like I'm defending you, but truly, I can't be the only one failing to see this.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

I was about to make a post but now I'm interested in this current debate about me.

Continue.

[Charu]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

It's not about What he's said it's about why he's saying it. Think several levels into what may have conceived those posts. What did manti say before hitting the confirm button.

But is it obvious?

No, because it's going back to what I said about mind games and second guessing. Questioning yourself "why did he say this" is a stupid tactic that 80% of the time will be wrong unless you know this guy 100%, front and back, his personal life, his behavior stance, how to tell when he's joking or not.

And to put this all together, you need to know all of this through pure black text.

I fail to see this as "obvious."

[James May]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

Also I know manti better

Lol. So tell me fic, since you say that you know Manti better, what would wolf Manti do? I am curious to know since this claim made me giggle a bit.

[James May]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

*your vote

God fucking dammit iPhone >_>

[James May]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

So you're saying we're so cool you don't get us??

No, what I am saying is that if you don't have any credible proof in your vote post stating why Manti is a wolf and we should lynch him makes your invalid at this point amigo.

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

Also I know manti better

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

It's not about What he's said it's about why he's saying it. Think several levels into what may have conceived those posts. What did manti say before hitting the confirm button.

[Charu]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

Here, let me quote EVERY POST dark has made and YOU can pick one that sounds wolfy.

Oh wow 14 pages.

I'll have an opinion in a few hours.

My head is about to explode from all the stupid questions about what the blues should do.

Until a time comes when it's beneficial for blues to come out and team up, only each blue knows what they're going to do. Let them make their decisions and lets find a target other then danceguy because killing the Bodyguard without a secondary claim on D1 is stupid.

If dance was a wolf, the true BG/clown would come out and we'd lynch the wolfier one. the cardflip would tell us if we were right or wrong and we'd make our next decision from there.

I'm still working on wolf candidates. J-rodd and V are annoying me though.

Interesting exchange here: Charu's question is rhetorical, but YIMA feels the need to soft defend himself to it.

I'd offer up YIMA as a person worthy of a vote.

that should have been bolded YIMA

I do think we should coalesce on one player and not make it close. We want to nullify the PP's vote manipulation.

YMIA, Netjet someone else. but make sure the vote differential between candidates is 2+

What really? Thats a dumb role then.

It really is a dumb role though. If it's a night phase action the wolves don't know if using it will help them or hurt them.

it's just chaos added onto more chaos.

I really don't get why people think fiction and dance could be wolf partners. I mean, Fiction could be, but I really don't understand why people aren't 100% certain dance is human/clown.

Fic keep your pants on. This party is full of little kids.

um hi?

I don't know if lazy completely describes my play. Lackluster does, but that's intentional. I want to hear input from other players. I'm pretty much done proving myself to people. Everyone knows I'm capable of playing a great game of TWG.

I pretty much just hang back and read reactions anymore. I don't try to mess with people to get reactions because it takes time and I tend to get wolved pretty fast when I'm active and aggressive.

Longevity leads to better information and better reads.


As far as the "whining about wolf powers thing" goes, I think fiction put it pretty good:

Sigh I actually need to respond to Fic's post.

Not now though, I've got an MTG tourney to go to. I'll make sure to get something in tonight when I get home.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

god dammit charu

ok I'll wait a bit lol