Top of the forums?

[Tps222]

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I never said that it deseverved to be in it more, I just said that it is part of most people's lives, so it should be up there, and from what I have read, there are a lot of people who obsess their lives over anime.

[lightdarkness]

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Stop putting the "anime" forum by itself. It's TV, Movies, AND Anime.

There really doesn't need to be any more discussion, because Synth will have the final say.

[Afrobean]

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Ok, I'm sorry to just be posting now but here's my opinion on the subject:

TV/Movies/Anime is not even close to being a major part of life for many users. I think that forum is best suited for the Arts category.

That said, I want to mention that the only people this affects are the people that are signed up for the forum. If they are signed up, I'd say it's likely that TWG is a major part of their life.

Ok, that said, I'm going to side with LD on this one anyway. Sure, it's a bitch to scroll down to the bottom near the postwhore forums for the highest level thinking forum with constant posting, but TWG forum does belong with the Games Forum and that's where it was. Plus, LD's right; Synth will side with him, so it's pointless to even fight over this.

Also I had an idea about making more people interested in TWG. Don't make it invisible to nonsubscribers, just make it so they can only post if they're in the usergroup.

PS These forums are not a democracy, so it doesn't matter what the popular opinion is.

[lightdarkness]

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Also I had an idea about making more people interested in TWG. Don't make it invisible to nonsubscribers, just make it so they can only post if they're in the usergroup.

PS These forums are not a democracy, so it doesn't matter what the popular opinion is.

You are right, however we try to suit the users.

I thought of a good comprimise, which was imediatly shot down. Make it visible just on the index to all users, and put it under the "Gaming" category. It's further up, and will get more exposure.

[evilbutterfly]

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I'd rather have it down in Other than as this terrible-looking sub category, but I'd rather just have it given its own category so it's at the top but not so weird looking. Geez guys, why are you even fighting!?

[blahblah18]

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Oh my god... you guys are all FUCKTARDS... I wonder if that will be filtered or not... anyways, I saw the first couple pages of this last night, and really thoguht I dreamt it or something while drunk when I woke up this morning.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever read in my entire life. It really doesn't matter in the slightest, and if you can all go shake hands and get off your high horses, that would be just great.
STOP ARGUING MERELY FOR THE SAKE OF TRYING TO WIN AN ARGUMENT.

[User6773]

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IF WE CAN'T BE MATURE ABOUT THIS I FUCKING QUIT TWG FOREVER

I expect more out of EVERYONE on this forum than this. Blah is right, at this point everyone is trying to win an argument for the sake of winning an argument.

I want the forums at the top too but this is NOT worth tearing each other to fucking pieces over.

Locked for the day. Everyone cool down, and decide what's really important.

[User6773]

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Good afternoon.

I have reopened this topic because I believe that there can be some sort of sane discourse on this debate, which has not reached a happy conclusion for everyone. The important thing is that in our statements, we very tactfully and carefully present ourselves, taking pain not to offend anyone.


On FFR, forums are not classified under a rigid system, but under a loose system based primarily on the popularity, relevance, and worthwhileness of of the forums themselves. If a forum fails to satisfy both these requirements, it is kept near the bottom. For example, the Garbage Bin is popular but not very worthwhile or relevant, so it is kept near the bottom. Chit Chat is popular, worthwhile, and relevant, so it enjoys its proud status as the first forum on the list. Some of the intermediary forums fail the qualifications: the Bemani forums are worthwhile and relevant but not popular. The Noob Forum is popular and relevant but not very worthwhile. In addition, the category system is lax at best – why, for example, is “Game Threads” not under “Gaming?” The answer is simple – a less popular, worthwhile, and relevant forum does not deserve to be closer to the top, regardless of where it is most appropriate.

Now then, in making any sort of decision on the forums, we must decide upon what is in the best interests of the forum users. However, as the forum is invisible to all but the members of the TWG Usergroup, we can safely say that the only people whose interests are at heart are the 57 people on the TWG Players group.

Why might we move the TWG forum closer to the top? Since this decision does not involve the rest of the forums, it is critical that we only heed the rationale behind why the TWG players would want it moved up – it is popular, relevant, and worthwhile among TWG players. There has been a decline in interest in TWG because it is more difficult to see when the posts has been updated. Opponents will claim that it does not take an effort to scroll down; however, there has been a noticeable corrolation between the lower positioning of the TWG forum and the lower participation in games. Clearly, for many people, it is a hassle that this forum is kept at the bottom of the screen. I love this game, and I want to see it thrive and prosper amongst its loyal fans.

Among the TWG players, the TWG forum is popular (thousand and thousands of posts and views), worthwhile (everyone in the group enjoys playing the game) and relevant (TWG is a major part of the forums for every player.) So why not bring it closer to the top, where it is most certainly merited?

TWG needs to be near the top for TWG players for the same reason that the Staff forum is and needs to be near the top for staff members – it's something that members of those groups want to check for active posts nearly every time they visit the forums. If anyone in the group does not want the forum near the top, they can leave and rid themselves of the inconvenice.

One concern is that non-TWG players who are staff members will not want to be bothered with viewing the forum. A possible fix is to remove “staff” as moderators of the forum, and instead manually appoint myself, Tasselfoot, and LD to be the moderators. This might make it invisible to non-administrators. In this case, the only non-players who will see the forum are Soccr, Kwik, 87x, Synth, and Spook. However, I don't see the presence of this forum near the top as a major problem for those people to deal with – Kwik is never on, Synth and Spook are rarely on, and I don't see this as a terrible inconvenience for the other two - at least, not one that requires inconveniencing 57 other people. Staffers were appointed to serve the users and make decisions in the users' best interests, not to insist that the forums be most convenient for them. I would certainly like it if the forums I never visit were near the bottom so I didn't have to see them – but I'm not going to use my power as staff to attempt to impose that vision on everyone else, even if it is a small sect of users who would be affected by it.

In sight of the evidence, I don't see any truly compelling arguments that would justify leaving the forum where it is. I hope that we can have a sane, rational, even-tempered discussion about where the forum should go. I don't see anywhere but near the top where it would be best.

[lightdarkness]

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*relocked* lol

I spoke with Synth, and he doesn't mind it. So there is no use discussing it further.

Also, there will be more So stay tuned