TWG CLVIII: Survivor Valais Signups

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Survivor Valais Signups

Oh god this is the signups thread.

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Survivor Valais Signups

I pointed out in the signup threads that three green reveals per day is imba as hell. If that's the case wolves stand no chance in this game.

[Tokzic]

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And yes, wolves can't get gift roles since they have wolf chat and a factional kill on top of being able to get the lynchproof title. It's not like hard-claiming a gift role could help you much anyways.

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"wolves can't get gift roles"

"it's not like hard-claiming a gift role could help you much anyways"

???

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Survivor Valais Signups

So I still have to fakevote, huh? Okay then:

HIYAH! D1 GUTREAD SHOT FROM THE HIP AT HAKULYTE!!

[Arntonach]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Survivor Valais

If you out yourself in this game, would that count as gamethrowing because your win-con is to stay alive too? That would make the game a lot harder for Survivors.

Which is why they can get "gift" roles, albeit roles with setbacks or a role that's a bit gimmicky. There's also nothing saying that wolves can't get the lynchproof title. There's also nothing saying you can't out yourself as a Survivor, since that'd be just like outing yourself as a VT, something a wolf can easily do too.

And yes, wolves can't get gift roles since they have wolf chat and a factional kill on top of being able to get the lynchproof title. It's not like hard-claiming a gift role could help you much anyways.

And as a final note, yes Survivor's lose if they die at any point, but bad gameplay won't be punished due to way the setup is designed.

Anyways, I'll try to get the game thread going. Signups are closed now, unless you'd like to be a replacement then PM me.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Just reread the OP. It's under gift roles in the main rules section.

I really think he means players and not green.


Anyway if Arnt will clarify that'll be cool. And also if we have the players let's try and start the game tonight

Lol I've gone over his setup countless times in votethread and here. It's listed twice, once under main rule and once again under the role description for "Survivor", but no mention of it is made under the wolf description. I hope you're right though, and yours is the simplest fix anyways even if you aren't.

[ShadoWolfe]

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If you out yourself in this game, would that count as gamethrowing because your win-con is to stay alive too? That would make the game a lot harder for Survivors.

No lol I'm sure we'll see many a case of people outing in order to stay alive

[Hakulyte]

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If you out yourself in this game, would that count as gamethrowing because your win-con is to stay alive too? That would make the game a lot harder for Survivors.

[MixMasterLar]

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This worried me a lot in the voting phase, but the way it's worded in the role description itself made me think that "declared" just meant that one survivor would be lynchproof every day and would be informed via pm. Looking at it again, I don't think I was right in that assessment so yes, broken af.

MML, wolves can't be included because it only lists it under the survivor role pmband doesn't mention it in the wolf one.

This isn't actually as bad as you think, because survivors have no incentive to out their role to clear their name. Remember that you lose if you die as a survivor, so outing your role/clearing yourself will just make you lose by nightkill instead of by lynch.

Just reread the OP. It's under gift roles in the main rules section.

I really think he means players and not green.


Anyway if Arnt will clarify that'll be cool. And also if we have the players let's try and start the game tonight

[ShadoWolfe]

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From a utilitarian standpoint, survivors should all out every day because that's 5 living clears by D2, and 7 at D3 to ensure max surviving non-scum players by the end, but it'd be easy to fakeclaim in the madness if that happened.

Survivor wincon is lasting the game though, so outing isn't really smart from an individualist perspective.

[MixMasterLar]

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Oh shit

[ShadoWolfe]

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I thought about this mechanic, and it worries me. Does "declared as" mean a Survivor gets cleared every day publicly?

That's like a free green peek every day with no risk or dependency on a role and essentially forces the wolves to kill the cleared players. Feels like it'd be super hard to win this as a wolf if this is how it works and makes it so you wouldn't WANT to be declared lynchproof.

I think it'd be an okay mechanic as long as wolves can get it too.

This worried me a lot in the voting phase, but the way it's worded in the role description itself made me think that "declared" just meant that one survivor would be lynchproof every day and would be informed via pm. Looking at it again, I don't think I was right in that assessment so yes, broken af.

MML, wolves can't be included because it only lists it under the survivor role pmband doesn't mention it in the wolf one.

This too. Wolves have to be in this pool or else Survivors can get up to 3 clears per day. That's imba.

This isn't actually as bad as you think, because survivors have no incentive to out their role to clear their name. Remember that you lose if you die as a survivor, so outing your role/clearing yourself will just make you lose by nightkill instead of by lynch.

[Tokzic]

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Three Survivors will get a random role for a day at it's start in a PM, and will consisting of any of the following:

This too. Wolves have to be in this pool or else Survivors can get up to 3 clears per day. That's imba.

[MixMasterLar]

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I thought about this mechanic, and it worries me. Does "declared as" mean a Survivor gets cleared every day publicly?

That's like a free green peek every day with no risk or dependency on a role and essentially forces the wolves to kill the cleared players. Feels like it'd be super hard to win this as a wolf if this is how it works and makes it so you wouldn't WANT to be declared lynchproof.

I think it'd be an okay mechanic as long as wolves can get it too.

I read it as any role could get this status, it's just mimicking the "power ups" from Survivor.

So assuming Random.org isn't kind to us a scum could get this. At least, I hope so or else you're right it's super broken

Basically Survivor here means player, not green. I can see why it's confusing though.

[Tokzic]

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One Survivor is randomly declared as lynchproof (cannot be voted for lynch) at the start of every day. Whoever is lynchproof can give their lynchproof status to someone else until the last 24 hours of the day phase. This mechanic will be removed once 9 players are eliminated.

I thought about this mechanic, and it worries me. Does "declared as" mean a Survivor gets cleared every day publicly?

That's like a free green peek every day with no risk or dependency on a role and essentially forces the wolves to kill the cleared players. Feels like it'd be super hard to win this as a wolf if this is how it works and makes it so you wouldn't WANT to be declared lynchproof.

I think it'd be an okay mechanic as long as wolves can get it too.