jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

[tiloco217]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

I hate being confirmed because if we lose now I will feel so bad. I am decently confident though so meh

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Sunfan, can you just make these 5 minute phases because it's painfully obviously what's going to happen from this point on.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

However, if choof is town, then last wolf will obviously kill Zenith, if he's also town, and then they will convince the other person to lynch me in Final 3.

Like clock work, bro.

But know if choof does flip town, Tiloco, and then I flip town, Tiloco, you're so fucking arrogant to not see that Lurker as mafia.

I will only say I told you so.

This game is dead to me, it's clockwork time, boys, follow Tiloco's reasoning since he's the confirm and we'll see what happens. If he's right, woo, if he's wrong, then told you so, yadda yadda yadda.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Okay, my vote is going to choof next phase, as much as I don't want it to.

If choof is mafia, then I'm disappointed with him, I thought he was better than that.

[tiloco217]

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Ok so looking through the interactions with GS I am going to lock clear CK and Lurker.

CK's first real posts of the game were her stream of consciousness and her reads list both of which pushed on GS heavily even voting for him at a time where GS had no pressure on him. I don't see any reason for CK to do that as mafia especially on a partner who is in their first game. Not only that but they continued to push on each other the rest of the game. I don't think there was any point where they town read each other.

Lurker has the obvious red check from GS. GS did this to save himself not to play the martyr card. I don't think the thought even crossed GS's mind in the panic of trying to clear himself. Not only that but when GS put the red check on him lurker was very non-nonchalant about it. I think that if they were both mafia then lurker would have gone hard on GS because it basically guarantees the game for them and lurker's a good enough player to realize that. I think he would also know that if he dies in the situation that they are both mafia then they lose guaranteed so when charu brought that up he would have definitely defended against it. If you don't understand how lurker dying would guarantee that they lose it's because he flips red, you guys kill me and I flip as tracker, you guys lynch GS. I've also been reading lurker as town throughout the entire game but I think that is less important. It's also worth mentioning that I don't think lurker ever chose a side between me and charu and I know that he didn't during the argument we had in the night and if he were mafia it is super beneficial to pick a side (probably mine since that's where GS was) because it would have been a fight between two towns about the alignment of another town. If that gets out of hand that could easily lead to a mafia victory.

That means that I need to find one more town in Choof, Charu, and Zenith.

Choof is by far the most likely mafia based solely off of interactions with GS. They town read each other for the entire game excluding when GS cc'd tracker but that is irrelevant because by the time he came back it was pretty obvious that I was winning that fight. He also helped GS quite a bit by asking him questions to help him get out reads. This is what he should be doing in a jTWG but I didn't really notice him doing it much for other players so it seems like coaching. His first interaction with CK was pretty awkward for him as well. CK came out with a pretty good reads list with pretty good reasoning and choof pushed hard on her in a way that was an indirect defense of GS. In regards to the tracker claim I still think that it is normally more town indicative but looking back on it choof left for very little reason for a long time. It is possible that he made a bad play and realized it so he left and hoped it would blow over. In his words "the only correct play is to not play at all".

To charu specifically about choof his and GS's claims are completely separate and shouldn't even be evaluated together. Charu claimed as part of a play and I agree that GS would normally claim after his partner already did (although in a way that made him obviously not the tracker) GS had no choice there. He couldn't count on choof coming back and choof wasn't going to claim anyways even if he did come back because it loses them the game (same logic as with lurker dying if they were partners except even more absolute) so GS's only way of surviving was claiming tracker. He did it because there was nothing to lose.

I think that, of the group of three, Zenith is the most likely town and he will probably be the one that I lock in on to create my auto circle. Day 1 Zenith started getting some pressure on him and reacted very towny. GS came in at the tail end of people pushing on him and only just enough to warrant a vote if it got to that point and when he realized that everyone was town reading zenith he backed off. If there we both mafia I think that GS would probably have just stayed quiet during that interaction and if zenith is town he played that pretty optimally.

This leaves Charu who I am the most reluctant to read since it is so hard for me to see him as town. We have been butting heads for so long that he has been filed away in my mind as mafia and it's hard to think about him any other way. That being said, he is a pretty likely partner with GS based off of their interactions although not as much as choof is. GS had a super weird interaction with him day 1 where GS called charu mafia, charu made one post that was only two lines long and wasn't very good, and GS immediately backed down. I can't tell if that is an awkward attempt at bussing or if he was GS trying to push on charu and getting scared. GS also mentioned a few times that charu had to be town because if he wasn't town was screwed anyways which is a super easy way to put a town read on a partner. That being said GS decided to side with me during the initial argument between me and Charu in a way that was pretty obviously a pocket. That seems like he thought I was winning the argument and decided to buddy up with me and I don't think he would do that if charu was his partner. That being said I think it would actually be the correct play if they were partners I am just not sure he would do it.

In conclusion, never kill lurker and CK this game. They are never mafia this game. I am pretty sure that if you kill choof the game will be over but if it isn't charu is the next kill.

Holy shit this post took over an hour for me to write :/

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

If I was a wolf I would not be able to fake how hard I raged in this thread nor would've even attempted to quit because that's throwing the game for wolves right there.

[lurker]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Hey guys, I'm really having a hard time focusing on this at the moment. Still trying to get something comprehensive put together.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Then either Wolves made the gutsiest of plays ever (choof fake claiming, then saying he was baiting, then Gold Stinger fake claiming after choof attempted, getting lynched and flipped wolf)

Or my reads are straight up the lowest of tiers (Zenith is the final wolf and is faking his rage inducing posts and his threatening demeanor to quit the game, I would say other things but it'll be angle shooting)

[Cold Kitten]

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Charu, what if, you lynched me AND lurker and neither of us flipped wolf?? what would you do then? i'm not sure if we would actually get that far in phases without the wolves winning in that situation, but regardless. the question still stands.

lurker and i both flip town. what then? and yes i realize you're 100% positive that won't happen, but humor me.

[Cold Kitten]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Charu, what if, you lynched me AND lurker and neither of us flipped wolf?? what would you do then? i'm not sure if we would actually get that far in phases without the wolves winning in that situation, but regardless. the question still stands.

lurker and i both flip town. what then? and yes i realize you're 100% positive that won't happen, but humor me.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

I think we just need to kill GS today. If we don't then the next day will be the exact same as this one and apprantly people are not ok with that. I wrote quite a bit more to this post but I think I am just going to save that discussion for post game

To be frank, I was incredibly salty and I should not have voted Gold Stinger there, because I truly believe still that the plan I wanted to do before was great.

What's done is done though, I just hope you see a Lurker wolf in this because I really can't see any other person who could be a wolf in my perspective.

And once again, Cold Kitten, if it's not Lurker, than it's you, no matter what type of explanation you want from me. PoE is a strong thing, bruh.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

You know what I just realized after coming back to this thread again?

Tiloco, that entire argument happened because you didn't agree with me about lynching Lurker.

Hahaha, aaaaaaaaah, I want to say that's why I wanted to believe so hard that you were a wolf. I just was astounded you wouldn't do that, even if you outed a wolf with a fake reaction.

If I could change the last day phase, it would definitely be my explosion of wanting you to be the wolf here.

[tiloco217]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

I only just woke up after the live twg last night. going to spend most of my day looking through GS's interactions and then tell you guys where I am at from there.

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Would love some more discussion from the remaining players because now it's been roughly 12 hours with not a word said.

I said I wanted to step my game up this night and next day phases. Let's start somewhere.

[Charu]

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I'm not going to explain my reasons any more. As a town that has argued, was wrong, and got verbally slapped. My credibility is gone and I'm now just a sheep.

I see nothing else of use to me except either a vote for Lurker or you, preferably Lurker.