jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

[Riotpolice]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Oh god, I am so sorry everyone. I feel I must claim right now so that votes won't be locked in by EoD. This is to give you all time to get different reads, I am of no use to town as of this point.


Hardclaiming Jailkeeper

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Not take his claim seriously?

Dude.

This game has confirmed roles in its setup. There is no "what-if's" about someone claiming.

It's either they are or they're not. Lying in this setup with cardflips on is borderline retarded.

It might even go past the border to be honest

[_Zenith_]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

based on what? there is nothing in gradiant's post history that would condemn him if riot flips red. charu would be feasible but if you're thinking that charu is bussing, I would technically be a better target than charu.



if riot hard claims anything and is not counter-claimed, we don't lynch him
but would that give his reads priority over everyone else's? you already called me town, would you follow riot if he builds a case on me? what if the case was on charu? on you?



these would probably not be related in any way
it would also depend on what riot claims

if riot claims, and we lynch a red, but riot doesn't get night-killed, what would you like to see on day 2? if riot claims, we lynch a green, and riot gets night-killed, would you still call bs on riot?

I don't think Charu is bussing but I mean you can't clear anyone as of right now so I'm more going on guts when I say Gradiant/Charu as my next target. I mean, I'd have to see more of what they say and reread again.

At this point he probably isn't going to claim anything because people wouldn't take the claim seriously. Realistically he could only claim one of the roles because outing the other would be such a bad play and literally hand wolves a free PR snack during the night; if we don't lynch him that is. Also I'm still pretty safe on the fact you're green but who knows; there is still more reading to be done.

I'd really like to see Riot be a wolf and we get a successful Day One lynch putting the remaining wolf at a huge disadvantage. I keep rethinking the situation in my head and to be perfectly honest, the most realistic situation I could see is that Riot is absolutely bullshitting us by claiming PR when he's actually just a VT and/or roleswapping with the actual PR.

If we ML a green today, we'll have to be more careful tomorrow about town's thought process.

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Would still like to hear a follow-up to Gradiant's meta on Charu though.

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

probably, unless it rocks back onto someone else if some other person is in mind

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

mm, yeah, you got me. Bad call on my part. Was just intrigued as to why you may be speeding up your own lynch in this case if he does reveal a role (which he has been so persistent on, and pretty much given up by now).

There's tons of people that want to fearkill on you, including riot & choof. It would probably be an insta.

[lurker]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Hey guys, just gotta get up to date.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

The possibility of Charu forcing the lynch before riot will or won't share info at EoD, to prevent his own possibly lynch is strong.

I'm following choof's "putting Riot to L-1" plan because if he does claim an important, role, there's a very small chance he can still be useful.

But as of right now, he's a bad data point that needs to be taken out of the equation.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

So where we at now, is Charu a wolf with this meta reasoning?

Bring it, Lugia-breath.

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

The possibility of Charu forcing the lynch before riot will or won't share info at EoD, to prevent his own possibly lynch is strong.

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

of course. The only things to come out of this is if riot is a wolf, the other wolf played with riot before, thinks they're shit, and is gonna bus (the bussing possibility why I'm not writing Charu off. He's shown he doesn't care about the number of wolves left in his team when he busses his partners, because it's happened to me the last two times I was wolf with him (salmonella and smash bros.)) OR, lmao, riot thinks he's a lost cause and wants to out a pr early if he knows his partner can handle themselves (which is dumb and even less likely). I will say I think Riot is stupid, but I don't want to vote him because of his mess. He's not 100% wolf because of this but this is a pretty bad town move.

So where we at now, is Charu a wolf with this meta reasoning?

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Riotpolice

We don't need a bad data point.

[Charu]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Hmph, I'm just gonna throw it out there, but I think both Zenith and Riot are town here just due to pure meta I have on them.

That's all it is though, is meta.

It's too bad Riot had to go and throw up shit. Seriously dude, not the smartest move in the world and I will bash you for it, yes.

If I want to be logical about it though, I guess this is where I become useful, here goes.

See, if Riot is a wolf, I believe someone already mentioned this, but it's a pretty bad tradeoff to announce you're a PR just to get the real PR to counter claim. You're not helping your partner out in this situation, you're throwing the game away super early essentially.

However

If Riot is a human, it's still a bad play, but town has this big ol' ???????? to deal with and makes the wolves time figuring out who to kill at night much more easier. You screwed yourself and the entire town because, as town, we need our PR's not to target eachother, which is probably what's going to happen because of your blunder. Essentially, Riotpolice, your important role, if you have it, is now void and town loses a means to collect info for next day phase.

I say it's policy to lynch you now.

[choof]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

Seriously though if Riot lynch happens and he flips wolf then I would probably push for Gradiant/Charu fmpov

based on what? there is nothing in gradiant's post history that would condemn him if riot flips red. charu would be feasible but if you're thinking that charu is bussing, I would technically be a better target than charu.

If Riot is actually the PR then I would follow him this phase, see what the lynch flips.

if riot hard claims anything and is not counter-claimed, we don't lynch him
but would that give his reads priority over everyone else's? you already called me town, would you follow riot if he builds a case on me? what if the case was on charu? on you?

If lynch flips red then Riot is PR, if lynch flips green then I would call BS on Riot.

these would probably not be related in any way
it would also depend on what riot claims

if riot claims, and we lynch a red, but riot doesn't get night-killed, what would you like to see on day 2? if riot claims, we lynch a green, and riot gets night-killed, would you still call bs on riot?

[gold stinger]

Re: jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

yeah no problem mate, it was rough making a decision between you and riot