Dance Dance Revolution X in Manchester

[Kage06]

Hey all,

If anyone lives down in Manchster, get down to the Namco station in the Trafford Centre. They have the new DDR X machine, along with the older Euromix 2 that they've had previously!

I realised a massive fault with the machines settings though, that has put me right off.

The sync is off!!! Even if you step on the arrows before a song, and the arrows on screen flash, they are milliseconds out.

This means, that if you are playing a song, and you usually get fantastic/perfects, you are getting a few perfects, but mostly greats, and even goods, knocking your combo.

I got a D on Healing Vision in Expert, that I'd usually get a A/B on.

I told them about it, and they didn't even know what I was talking about.
I just said 'they'd have to fix that'.

I hate it when they just see you as a geek/dork because you've noticed something a lot of regular players would get upset about.
All they care about is that the machine works, and they have it.
But, for a game like that, the accuracy has to be in sync too, and its just not.

Whoever set up that machine, didn't even bother to run a sync check

[customstuff]

Re: Dance Dance Revolution X in Manchester

DDR's always off sync XD

[dandandamdandan1111]

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its the same like that here, except they sorta fixed it. i think i got an a on seduction vocal, which i usually aaa =/

[Kage06]

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Apparently, there is no latency adjustment, so even if they wanted to correct it, they couldn't. Is this true?

If so, thats just poor...

You'd have to step off sync... thats wrong

Makes the new machine useless to most DDR users... no?

Surely, if they made the machine, they'd know what the lag would be, and be able to compensate for it?

[Kage06]

Re: Dance Dance Revolution X in Manchester

I have e-mailed Konami UK, and the Namco station, around where I live, so hopefully I'll recieve a reply from at least one of them.

[Anakinstepwalker]

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Ok 4 all you players saying ddr x is of sync ur terribly mistaken you jus play too much ffr and the accuracy is soo easy.. But ddr you have to be more precise. I know exactly wat im talking about I have played every ddr on ps2 up 2 date and AA most of every 10 difficulty there is!!

So plz dnt put ddr down if it isn't true

[Oni-Paranoia]

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The screen that is used on X machines is 'plasma' so no matter what the response is always late. The pads have NO brackets (that's a +) but if you look inside the pads, it's nothing but mainly wood (home pad status)..

Song wise, the X special's are sh*t and anything new is not really impressive!!

There is nothing great about DDR X except the way the machine looks in Japan (their machines have cool lights) and the fact of no brackets.. Otherwise it's just another fail


EDIT: Anakin, playing more FFR has nothing to do with telling if something is offsync.. The songs are indeed offsync and the whole late reaction just makes it worse..

[dandandamdandan1111]

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no, ddr x really is offsync anakin...

[Kage06]

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Anakinstepwalker, its nothing to do with it being slightly offsync, which would be a small thing, since I love the Euromix 2 machine I have in the arcade, and thats not 100% in sync.

The DDR X machine isn't in sync here, at all! Its late by a lot! I'm talking about the arcade version, and not the PS2 varient, which would be different, and relies on different hardware.

I have contacted both parties like I've said, so hopefully I will get a response.

I love DDR, but I hate the fact its messed up.

Go and try the machine, and tell me it isn't so offsync, that its terrible to play.

No other Konami dance pad machine I have tested in an arcade has this issue.

Fusion (fine), Euromix 1 (fine), Euromix 2 (fine), Supernova (fine)

EDIT:

Plus, it can't be just the screen causing the issue, as the sound system must be out also. I don't play by looking at the arrow placements. I play by beat.

EDIT 2:

From Wiki:

Cabinet changes in North America

As was stated by Konami at ASI[2], significant changes were made to the DDR X cabinets released in the United States. In comparison to models that had been exhibited before release, the new cabinets featured different lighting and sound systems, the inclusion of USB ports rather than SD cards as had been previously announced, and a monitor experiencing large amounts of lag. Significant changes to the construction of the pads themselves were also made, including the pad being covered by one piece of metal rather than the traditional design of separate panels (with its connection to the main cabinet covered by a metallic platform), and lower quality sensors in the pads themselves, all inferring that the manufacturers cut corners in the construction of the cabinets.[18]

It may seem like the one in the U.S is more in sync than the one here in the UK...

[fido123]

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Ever since Extreme, Konami has never been able to do it right. I miss ITG >: Probably going to start learning PIU.

[Oni-Paranoia]

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Ever since Extreme, Konami has never been able to do it right. I miss ITG >: Probably going to start learning PIU.

True, ITG is 'dead' yet it still wins by a long shot with R21.. Customs will never die x.x

P.s.
PIU is alright, but there charts never amazed me

[Kage06]

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Hey all,

I got an e-mail back from both Konami and Namco where I live.

They know about the patch now, and are going to e-mail me when the machine gets the update

I was playing on it today though, and compared to the Euromix 2 cab, the panels feel very woody...and I'm wondering if the panels are causing the missing of combo also, and not just the noticable lag.

Maybe the update will sort of help the unresponsive pads though, by making them trigger faster.

[MrRubix]

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the solution is to play ITG

[MP3 player]

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the solution is to play ITG

+1

[TC_Halogen]

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The screen that is used on X machines is 'plasma' so no matter what the response is always late. The pads have NO brackets (that's a +) but if you look inside the pads, it's nothing but mainly wood (home pad status)..

Song wise, the X special's are sh*t and anything new is not really impressive!!

There is nothing great about DDR X except the way the machine looks in Japan (their machines have cool lights) and the fact of no brackets.. Otherwise it's just another fail


EDIT: Anakin, playing more FFR has nothing to do with telling if something is offsync.. The songs are indeed offsync and the whole late reaction just makes it worse..

Oni has this exactly right. Because of the kind of screen that is put inside a DDR X cabinet, there will always be an implied input lag. It's just like FX/GX cabinets for PIU: Pro--GXs are flatscreens/plasmas, so they have to apply a different global/machine offset to compensate for it.

Not quite sure how they are going to do that through DDR, but hey, whatever works.

@ Anakin: Play dancing games before you open your mouth.