Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

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  • #16
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    jimerax
    • Nov 2003
    • 8185

    Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

    New account + FC'ing FFLBF 1,000 times = easy 5 mil average.

    Average rank is an extreme disadvantage for not-so active users.

    I don't get the point of AR/OR.

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    • #17
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      Tasselfoot
      • Jul 2003
      • 25185

      Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

      any ranking system will have flaws. personally, i think the 2 we have are enough. 1 measures time spent playing (with a tiny factor of skill... me playing for 1 hour will theoretically earn more points than whorli playing for 1 hour).... the other is straight skill, but forces you to play and master EVERY song.

      aka, both are pretty much extremes... but, then again, who wants a ranking system of the most mediocre.
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      • #18
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        tha Guardians
        • Nov 2006
        • 1680

        Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

        I understand. I don't want like what Rubix said—a combination of the two, but rather a reliable median.

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        • #19
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          MrRubix
          • Nov 2026
          • 8340

          Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

          I actually feel Overall Rank to be useless. It doesn't really say much other than how much you play, and inferring skill through time played is probably not statistically significant past a certain point.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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          • #20
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            Solomine Gray
            • Oct 2007
            • 529

            Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

            Originally posted by jimerax
            Average rank is an extreme disadvantage for not-so active users.
            Let's include new users too, please. I personally hate having an abysmal rank on my page just because I am new to this game. Even if I get my Average Rank down to, say, 100, the Overall is going to look like crap. And that sucks when you take the truth of a saying like this into account:

            Originally posted by Tasselfoot
            to 90%+ of our users, it's the most important number.
            THAT SUCKS.

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            • #21
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              heyitsmee
              • Sep 2006
              • 2042

              Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

              pls make the avg rank top 100 public

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              • #22
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                Goldenwind
                • Jan 2006
                • 762

                Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                Originally posted by jimerax
                New account + FC'ing FFLBF 1,000 times = easy 5 mil average.

                Average rank is an extreme disadvantage for not-so active users.

                I don't get the point of AR/OR.
                Yes, not-so active players don't have the time to play all songs to get a good level rank...
                ...but think in reverse - do they have the time to whore the game all day either?

                This method would benefit those who have skill, but do not want to devote the time.
                And similarily, it would penalize those who get their "good rank" from whoring, even though they suck (Not many fall into this category, if you whore, you'll typically learn *something*, lol)
                They say there's a sun in the sky...

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                • #23
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                  EnR
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 8431

                  Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                  Its alredy a ranking system, become a subscriber and you can see it haha.

                  I think we should keep overall rank.
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                  • #24
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                    devonin
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 10120

                    Re: Make Overall Rank be based on Average Level Rank

                    As it stands, anyone who understands how the numbers are derived can make a reasonable estimation of the skill of a given player just by looking at the stats and applying their own internal logic.

                    Tass is completely correct though that there is no golden solution. Any ranking system you could come up with will be inaccurate to an extent. Overall rank is inaccurate because the max score on a song has nothing to do with its difficulty. Some of the hardest songs in the game have very low max scores, and lots of the 900-arrow easy rock songs have a very high score.

                    If there was some way to scale the points you got to the difficulty of the song (So that you simply couldn't get over 1M points on a song under 5/12 or 2M on a song under 8/12 or something like that) then overall rank could become slightly more relevant.

                    Average rank, obviously, is inaccurate because many players simply don't want to spend time playing songs that are incredibly easy to them, and thus boring. I mean, it is very much a "For people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing those people will like" sort of concept. I play for Average Rank. As such, I'm inclined to go "Too bad so sad" to people who go "Wahh, I can't be bothered to play any song under 4/12 like -once- just to get my average rank up" especially since Tier Points generally will require people to want to go back and up their AAA count anyway.

                    Both of these stats end up punishing inactive players, because new songs nuke their levelrank, and everyone else playing songs nukes their overall rank. But about the only consistant stat people have is tier points (Though their tier standing will get nuked as new songs become worth tier points)

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