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  • #46
    FFR Player
    Boatz
    • Jun 2007
    • 179

    Re: Amateur Tier Points

    WOWZORZ!!!

    I mean, this is the first time an idea of mine anywhere has been considered and discussed at such length.

    Anyway, are we just talking here, or are we gonna start making a full list of reqs.?

    EDIT -- And by the way, all of the other methods of this system are great, having .xx or xxxxxxxx points per requirement.
    Last edited by Boatz; 08-1-2007, 06:45 AM.



    or

    And you should use this:


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    • #47
      FFR Player
      Ice wolf
      • Feb 2007
      • 852

      Re: Amateur Tier Points

      Originally posted by Reach
      Completely against this.

      Good players shouldn't have to play all of the easy songs. They're easy, and all the good players can already AAA them, so there's no point in giving out points for them.

      The whole point of the tier system is to show how skilled you really are, not how much you play. Including billions of songs to the list only favors those that play the most FFR and not the most skilled.

      And as pandaman already mentioned...you do get tier points for playing easier songs from total # of AAA's.
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      • #48
        Summer!!
        lightdarkness
        • Jul 2003
        • 11310

        Re: Amateur Tier Points

        Originally posted by Ice wolf
        I support Reach.
        I think you're missing the point of the fact that good players wouldn't be included on this list.

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        • #49
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          jugglinguy
          • Dec 2006
          • 4319

          Re: Amateur Tier Points

          Ok it seems like LD will be making ATPs so all I want to know is the max amount of ATP's to give out for an AAA of a difficulty 5, and the whole set of ATPS for free space, if I know those two then I can get all the difficulties in between.
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          • #50
            FFR Player
            GamerShadow
            • Oct 2005
            • 2534

            Re: Amateur Tier Points

            Would this be for newbies? If 5 points is a Free Space AAA, then by the time you graduate, you still won't even be close to TP's at all. There would be a huge gap that the player would have to cross in order to get to TP's.

            I say, make the songs 5-8 in diff, and use those as ATP's. Hence, AMATEUR. Not n00b.
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            • #51
              Housekeeper
              FFR Simfile Author
              I like it
              • Jan 2007
              • 2126

              Re: Amateur Tier Points

              I Made a modifacation sorta

              how about have two tier points list one for pros and one for newbs
              so once you get passed teir 1 on the easy one (which would be tier 4 in the pro one) so kind of like more tiers with more songs for the newbs

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              • #52
                FFR Player
                ChaosMaster1
                • Nov 2005
                • 429

                Re: Amateur Tier Points

                Im the ultamite n00b so I support this. =)

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                • #53
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                  jugglinguy
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 4319

                  Re: Amateur Tier Points

                  Originally posted by GamerShadow
                  Would this be for newbies? If 5 points is a Free Space AAA, then by the time you graduate, you still won't even be close to TP's at all. There would be a huge gap that the player would have to cross in order to get to TP's.
                  I agree with you (in parts). If it was 4 or 5 tier points for an AAA on freespace, level 6s SDG would be like 10! So maybe something like:

                  #1 Free Space (FFR Edit):
                  (2) AAA
                  (1) 5 or fewer.

                  Because if the ATP requirements were easier, the people who would get 1s and 2s would be people who've never even bothered looking at the forums.
                  Originally posted by Jem
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                  • #54
                    Ahh the fond memories
                    Ravia
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1315

                    Re: Amateur Tier Points

                    Originally posted by Reach
                    Completely against this.

                    Good players shouldn't have to play all of the easy songs. They're easy, and all the good players can already AAA them, so there's no point in giving out points for them.

                    The whole point of the tier system is to show how skilled you really are, not how much you play. Including billions of songs to the list only favors those that play the most FFR and not the most skilled.

                    And as pandaman already mentioned...you do get tier points for playing easier songs from total # of AAA's.
                    I'm against it, too, but don't forget the average ranks kinda make good players whore easy songs for AAAs. Hell, I got 0-0-1-1 on Soul Shift 'cause I was dumb and celebrated a jump too early. Too lazy to do it again.



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                    • #55
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                      Shashakiro
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 9082

                      Re: Amateur Tier Points

                      Not a bad idea really, with what LD brought up.

                      Yeah, any skill-based ranking system that makes good players go back and AAA easy stuff is dumb, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to...works if you make it like two completely seperate lists where it's impossible to be on both...

                      Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?
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                      • #56
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                        jugglinguy
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 4319

                        Re: Amateur Tier Points

                        Originally posted by Shashakiro
                        Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?
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                        Originally posted by Jem
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                        • #57
                          FFR Player
                          GamerShadow
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 2534

                          Re: Amateur Tier Points

                          Originally posted by Shashakiro
                          Not a bad idea really, with what LD brought up.

                          Yeah, any skill-based ranking system that makes good players go back and AAA easy stuff is dumb, they shouldn't have to if they don't want to...works if you make it like two completely seperate lists where it's impossible to be on both...

                          Problem: what prevents the normal TP players from making alt accounts and clogging up the ATP list with barely-lower-than-cutoff values?
                          Inactivity. If you wanted to stay on the list, you would have to get at least 1 tier point every month or so, that way, they're forced to make progress until they get out of the lists. We could also have an admin IP check them if we're suspicious.
                          Note to self Finish.

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                          • #58
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                            Adamaja456
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 6433

                            Re: Amateur Tier Points

                            Originally posted by GamerShadow
                            Inactivity. If you wanted to stay on the list, you would have to get at least 1 tier point every month or so, that way, they're forced to make progress until they get out of the lists. We could also have an admin IP check them if we're suspicious.
                            If noobs were forced to earn a certain amount of ATPs, then why dont they just practice harder and get TPs instead of ATPs?


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                            • #59
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                              jugglinguy
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 4319

                              Re: Amateur Tier Points

                              Originally posted by Adamaja456
                              If noobs were forced to earn a certain amount of ATPs, then why dont they just practice harder and get TPs instead of ATPs?
                              ATPs give them motivation.
                              Originally posted by Jem
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                              You're Aja Leith of the Holograms! You're very exotic, intelligent and sophisticated.

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                              • #60
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                                ledwix
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 2878

                                Re: Amateur Tier Points

                                I have a mole of amateur tier points lol.

                                Anyway, I discourage this. Tier Points are for upper-tier players. Amateur Tier Points are too broad; there are thousands of players to be included, and yet so many of them don't even care. Thus, the ATP system would be too inaccurate, IMO. I'm sure several of my friends who are inactive on this game could be pretty high up in this system but don't really play anymore and wouldn't be included.

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