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  • #31
    Snek
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    Izzy
    • Jan 2003
    • 9195

    Re: Combo or raw scoring?

    Originally posted by brothaice
    As long as I still have a FC bar to fill up, makes no difference to me.

    Regardless of how the game is scored the best players will end up with the best scores.
    Sure, but the rank in order from 1 to the number of players wont be in order of skill.

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    • #32
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      Choofers
      • Dec 2008
      • 6205

      Re: Combo or raw scoring?

      Originally posted by ryuyasha
      I like combo scoring because it takes into account every aspect of the game.
      hi

      before I got my account wiped, I had something like 30-0-1-2 on a 90+
      the guy that was 1 rank above me had something like 120-2-0-36

      that happened because I missed a note near the middle of the chart

      so no, combo scoring takes only one thing into account
      max combo

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      • #33
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        Hakulyte
        • Jul 2005
        • 4697

        Re: Combo or raw scoring?

        I like combo scoring for the exact reason that people hate it. Most of the top players who gets amazing scores with 1 miss can FC too if they try. I like the idea of needing to avoid at all cost the miss just as much as people wants to avoid any kind of flag for their AAA. It's like a lower version of pressure for players. I think the idea of boos and combo scoring was used as a mean to make weaker players keep trying on songs and come back later to fix their mashed parts. Raw scoring would be like missing at spots on purpose/or not to optimize pa in general. It's just avoiding the problem in a different way imo. If I wanted to play consistently without worrying about misses I'll play stepmania or play FFR and ignore ranks. Maybe I'm just getting old and everyone else just want their stepmania on flash while feeling good about their 0-0-2-0 on some hard song. It just feels wrong to me to miss on a rhythm game without suffering a serious penalty when the goal is to actually be on-beat. I know some people just brute mash their way, but they will also want to optimize their scores in the future and will need to play correctly too. It's just making the gap between top players and mid players even bigger like it wasn't big enough already.

        I think raw scoring should only apply on Tier Points because it's the closest thing to evaluate a measure of skills which is probably what everyone good wants to have to work on without worrying about misses. Doing this while keeping normal ranks the same way would create some kind of hybrid system where everyone is happy or almost happy at least. I don't see a reason to make such a radical change on the game design and it's even easier to implement.
        Last edited by Hakulyte; 10-23-2012, 12:59 PM.

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        • #34
          Kawaii Desu Ne?
          benguino
          • Dec 2007
          • 4190

          Re: Combo or raw scoring?

          The thing about raw scoring though is although it doesn't penalize you as much as combo scoring for misses, it still penalizes you for misses, the equivalent of 2.4 goods to be precise. Because of this, whenever one is playing a song, it is always in their best interest to try to hit every single note regardless since a good is better than a miss in both scoring systems. The thing I don't like about combo scoring, is it's like playing every single song on sudden death; the instant you get a miss it's like, "well ****, it's impossible for me to beat my old score now *quits out*" Raw scoring encourages people to finish songs and to not be put under the pressure of instantly "losing" if they get a miss.
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          • #35
            The FFRchiver
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            foxfire667
            • Jun 2009
            • 2170

            Re: Combo or raw scoring?

            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            Most of the top players who gets amazing scores with 1 miss can FC too if they try.
            Yes they can, but at the expense of getting potentially many more goods, averages, and boos. Their best score should reflect their closest run towards an AAA in terms of accuracy, not by how high their combo is.


            Originally posted by Hakulyte
            It just feels wrong to me to miss on a rhythm game without suffering a serious penalty when the goal is to actually be on-beat. I know some people just brute mash their way, but they will also want to optimize their scores in the future and will need to play correctly too. It's just making the gap between top players and mid players even bigger like it wasn't big enough already.
            Missing, even in raw scoring, yields the most intense penalty you can receive out of any judging. Since the difference between gaining 50 points (perfect) and missing (losing 10 points) is a 60 raw score, you would still want to attempt to combo all of the notes to get the best score you can. BUT, much more strategy comes into play relative to one's skill, because good/avg/boo rushing everything can give you total raw point losses far greater than a single miss ever could. This means that only those who can ACTUALLY PLAY the file correctly will hold a decent spot on the leader-boards (ergo, the closest runs to AAA's relative to judgements on inaccuracies).

            You are right, it is a rhythm game, so why should we disregard scores that are playing the file accurately, but then praise scores that pay no mind to the structure of the file at all? They are called leader-boards for a reason, so you can see where you stand among the best players on various files. If you can't play a file nearly as well as someone else, then why should you be given a much lower rank? I do not approve of Mash Mash Revolution being the way we approach ANY sort of system involving ranking or skill, because all it really shows is how high your combo is. Any derp can FC a file by mashing their brains out, but how does that really prove they are a good player? Accuracy is what rhythm games are all about, so why should we score the skills of others by a completely irrelevant aspect of the game? Combo scoring can stay for GTS, but it has no place on leader-boards, tier points, and especially not in official tournaments.
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            • #36
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              popsicle_3000
              • Sep 2005
              • 4642

              Re: Combo or raw scoring?

              Originally posted by Izzy
              Sure, but the rank in order from 1 to the number of players wont be in order of skill.
              umm, yes it will

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              • #37
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                i love you
                • Oct 2006
                • 7315

                Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                This debate is still going on...

                It is obvious what should be done.
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                • #38
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                  bmah
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 8448

                  Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                  It's obvious what should be done, but it isn't so obvious as to when we'd get the capacity to make those changes.

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                  • #39
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                    • Oct 2006
                    • 7315

                    Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                    Probably never since FFR is so fucced up.

                    But what do I know? I'm no staff.
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                    • #40
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                      bmah
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 8448

                      Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                      When it boils down to upgrading HDD space and RAM, it's all up to Synth. I can only do so much.

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                      • #41
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                        • Oct 2006
                        • 7315

                        Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                        Thanks for sharing that info with us.

                        Although, why would you need the extra capacity just to change the combo scoring into raw scoring?

                        Not sure if you would actually know the answer to this question but it would be nice if you did. My best guess would be to prevent unknown shit from happening while making the changes and for back-up purposes but I could be wrong.
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                        • #42
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                          bmah
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 8448

                          Re: Combo or raw scoring?

                          It had something to do with tables I think. idk, I'm no coder. Regardless, the amount of HDD that FFR currently relies upon is starkingly short.

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