Are We Ever Going To Take Out FFR's Trash?

[devonin]

Re: Are We Ever Going To Take Out FFR's Trash?

Eh, it's also certainly something that could be done to cook up an appropriate reward for people who've taken the time to AAA all the really out of sync stuff, in order to make it not too much of a blow.

I just really don't like songs where the way to AAA them is to turn the sound off, because if you actually have a developed sense of timing and rythem, playing along with the music simply doesn't work. It's almost punishing you for having actually developed skill and timing. Further, if someone submitted a stepfile today that was -stepped- for hitting notes directly on beat, but the actual arrows were way off, it would just be flat denied. I'm all for preserving the past, but when the past doesn't actually meet the quality standards that exist, it just lowers the visible quality of the site for new people, for whom nostalgia doesn't overrule the frusteration.

[Wootsicle]

Re: Are We Ever Going To Take Out FFR's Trash?

they take up space get rid of em

Did you by any chance even.. well, read the thread?
And what do you mean, "they take up space?" Is there limited room for songs on FFR or something? Do you ever post anything thoughtful?


On the whole history genre, it makes perfectly good sense, but wiping the songs from the levelranks won't bode well with most of the higher ranked players.

[rednanaki]

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It seems I have gotten us into a jam.

[Xezial]

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I think that FFR is getting easier and easier. I mean, we have speed mods now, and there are just add ons that are going to make FFR easy as hell

And when/if jack syndrome is fixed, the people who AAAd 100bb before the fix are probably going to be a little bit angry.

[dore]

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blah blah blah synthlight fyles suk

Hey, if you want to make a better file by hard coding it into the game, then by all means, go for it.

[EnTr0py33]

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maybe they could give out something special to those who already spent so much time AAA'ing those songs that are off sync? because I know they're extremely hard to do without playing over and over again, and the vets who spent all that time doing it deserve something.

However, forcing newer players to go through the same agony that many of the vets had to go through to lower their average rank seems kind of unfair.


Also, if you look at the new developments FFR has gotten recently (e.g. speedmods) these have done a lot to change the average and overall rankings for everyone, even some of the vets. So maybe moving all these songs into the "Old School" genre and taking them off average rank might get many people angry with the change, but at the same time with the number of much better simfiles coming out almost daily, I don't think the change will be that detrimental, if harmful at all.

But I still have to give props to all those brave souls who managed to AAA those off sync files, now THAT takes SKILL.

[_pandaman_]

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maybe they could give out something special to those who already spent so much time AAA'ing those songs that are off sync? because I know they're extremely hard to do without playing over and over again, and the vets who spent all that time doing it deserve something.

However, forcing newer players to go through the same agony that many of the vets had to go through to lower their average rank seems kind of unfair.


Also, if you look at the new developments FFR has gotten recently (e.g. speedmods) these have done a lot to change the average and overall rankings for everyone, even some of the vets. So maybe moving all these songs into the "Old School" genre and taking them off average rank might get many people angry with the change, but at the same time with the number of much better simfiles coming out almost daily, I don't think the change will be that detrimental.

This is very, very similar to how I feel.

Just, don't put crystalis in old school. I want to at least keep that AAA

[NamaKun]

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This is very, very similar to how I feel.

Just, don't put crystalis in old school. I want to at least keep that AAA

This is why we can't have nice things.

[_pandaman_]

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This is why we can't have nice things.

...what?

It makes logical sense that crystalis stay. Its synced perfectly fine, but the jacks are just horrendous. TfB and 100BB are a different story.

I was only saying that cuz I only recently got the AAA and like it sitting with Excite Bike and Free Space

[Smok3y]

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What about moving songs in the "old stuff" genre (assuming there will be one) into the new Special Level Rank, along with Skill Tokens/Tokens etc. That seems most appropriate to me.

[devonin]

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So now there's a skill token for FC'ing a difficulty 4 song with no boos? This doesn't suggest that maybe something is wrong with some of the old songs?

I wonder how many people had to shut the music off to actually get it.

[Reach]

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Why don't we just do this?

Restep the songs with the EXACT SAME STEPS (!!!!!!!!!!). However, fix the sync and the noteskin (and possibly the backgrounds XD).

What's so wrong with this and why is synth so against it? The only inherent *problem* with the files is that synthlight stepped them using record mode, which is HORRENDOUS stepfile protocol ;o. We are so past this. Why do we not want to increase the quality of the game?

If you want so desperately to keep them as history than the history section sounds cool to me...but remove them from the average rank for the love of god.

A lot of people that actually play beatmania games get turned off by FFR because of a bad rep for poor quality that lingers because of files like these >_>

[devonin]

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Like I said before, nostalgia is only a compelling reason to keep poor versions of old songs around if you've been around long enough for them to actually engender as sense of nostalgia. If you haven't been, it just looks like "Some number of the songs I'm playing are not sync'd and no fun to play as a result"

[Loyal2Death]

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I like the idea of keeping them, and I also like the idea of removing them. I know thats hard to understand, so why don't we do both?

Hear me out:

I enjoyed Reach's Suggestion. If we keep them, why not just remove them from the average rank? I think thats reasonable, since these songs were around LONG LONG LONG before average rank was EVER important.

At the same time I like the idea of re-stepping them and doing them right. In which case I want to combine the two efforts.

Keep the old ones, remove them from average rank, re-create the old into new files and use them to replace the old on the average ranks. Instead however, of removing them and putting them into the "old genre" (because I feel that would be very out of place) use the new and put them in to the "Revolution" Genre.

This way, everyone is happy, the only thing that changes is that the old songs don't hurt and they remain in the exact same place they started. The new files can be implemented for everyone to enjoy.

[banditcom]

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I completely agree.

Synth makes great decisions for the game and how to progress it, and is very wise about his decision making. But this is, for lack of a better word, retarded. The songs need to be fixed. Period. Backgrounds suck. Random record-mode or other older songs suck. Chrono Trigger... WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN FIXED YET?? Nostalgia?? wtf... Thank god not everyone thinks this way. We'd have so much more crap in this world.

Okay fine, make a separate section and shove the old-non fixed ones in there with the backgrounds. Got your history and nostalgia. Leave them off any sort of average rankings or whatever. Re-step them and replace them in the main area with very similar steps (as obviously some may be removed for sync reasons). It's not hard to do this. You'll keep the old files with the all blue, non-synced, glitched pieces of **** and at the same time have new fixed up ones.

Noobs play the easiest ones. Most of the easier ones are the really old ****ty files. It's a very bad impression on FFR. Not to mention, like the OP said, they are taught bad PA.

Improvement of the game and keeping history. Get both. I played a few older files tonight. Nostalgia? Sure, that lasted 3 seconds at the start of the song before the arrows. The rest was complete garbage. And nostalgia for....? The few hundred people left on this site that grew-up on those pieces of crap? >_>

"Others will be angry that they worked on it to get the AAA." So? Life isn't fair boo-hoo. What, 50 people have AAA'd or pseudo-AAA'd these crappy files? No one else wants to spend the time playing this garbage.