9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Perhaps there could be a better way to implement both nicely?

One possible way perhaps would be to run through the tournament in the usual elimination style. However, still keep track of the cumulative scores along the way, even for the players that were already eliminated. This could easily be implemented with two dashboards with the default one being elimination. At the end of the tourney, of course we would distribute prizes like we would a elimination tourney. However, after those prizes are distributed, we take a look at the cumulative-scoring dashboard. Let us say that Player X didn't make top 16 in the elimination-dashboard. However we notice he did make top 16 in the cumulative-dashboard. We would then give Player X a complimentary prize of either lesser or equal value than the prize he would have received if he made top 16 in the elimination-dashboard. Any thoughts?

I like this idea a lot. ^.^

[Salitz]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Perhaps there could be a better way to implement both nicely?

One possible way perhaps would be to run through the tournament in the usual elimination style. However, still keep track of the cumulative scores along the way, even for the players that were already eliminated. This could easily be implemented with two dashboards with the default one being elimination. At the end of the tourney, of course we would distribute prizes like we would a elimination tourney. However, after those prizes are distributed, we take a look at the cumulative-scoring dashboard. Let us say that Player X didn't make top 16 in the elimination-dashboard. However we notice he did make top 16 in the cumulative-dashboard. We would then give Player X a complimentary prize of either lesser or equal value than the prize he would have received if he made top 16 in the elimination-dashboard. Any thoughts?

I like this idea a lot. ^.^

Seconded. Keeps everyone in the game for the full tourney and doesn't disrupt the "standard" tournament set-up... I like that.

[j-rodd123]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

still think the regular elimination way is def more exciting. i mean this seems pretty dull for the first couple rounds and only would be exciting once it gets to elimination or if some crazy comeback happens, which again probably isnt as exciting as 3 people down to the wire constantly grinding and supping each other on a single song.

[j-rodd123]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

also I just saw Reuben's suggestion and like that idea if it is not too much of a hassle to implement

[PriestREA]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Agreed with rob's point, it makes it absolutely discouraging to try to skillboost from the bottom of a division, since even if you manage to improve your skill enough, your early round scores will get you eliminated.

It also gives a disadvantage to players that can't AAA easy stuff but still get decent enough scores to survive a cutoff in early rounds.

This was how I felt during the last official. My first round/second round scores weren't too far off the elimination cutoff. I couldn't AAA Retro City or Oops, but I was able to blackflag rounds 3 and 4. I really think cumulative scoring gives people the best chance to participate in the tournament and compete too.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

A weakness in 1 later round would make a perfect start (like first 4/5 rounds AAA) totally meaningless.

[HalfStep]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

That's the problem though, a predictable tournament with no possible upsets is boring to watch, even if it produces "fair" results. (FFR tournaments are already like that, and this would make it worse imo)

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Tbh I feel like it's just gonna be "Oh whatever I dont care so much about first rounds because I'm only good at hard files so I'll kill their scores on the last 2 rounds". If you can't (by you I mean anybody) be consistent enough to survive the first few rounds you should not be permitted to access the later ones. Sorry but being very fast is a skill, yes, but being able to stay consistent on the most patterns is one too.

EDIT: Reuben's idea seems to be the best.

[HalfStep]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

So we agree? I think elim is way better than cumul, and ben's idea is a fair middle ground I guess.

[mr_candy]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I personally would want to see a complete non-elimination tourney instead, since there will be more room for comebacks which I personally find a lot more exciting. There won't be any occasion where someone would go from 16th place to 1st place in 2 rounds, so you can't necessarily "fluke" your way to first place. However, if you're able to find your stride and beat most players in the last 2 rounds, you deserve that position. I personally value great accuracy on higher-end files (96+) more than perfect accuracy on files that are 85-88.

exactly this

+1

[emulord]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I think that elimination makes it so you're not "in the tournament, but can't ever win"
So I like elimination better. Perhaps D7 should do something else, but D7 is weird anyway.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Tbh I feel like it's just gonna be "Oh whatever I dont care so much about first rounds because I'm only good at hard files so I'll kill their scores on the last 2 rounds". If you can't (by you I mean anybody) be consistent enough to survive the first few rounds you should not be permitted to access the later ones. Sorry but being very fast is a skill, yes, but being able to stay consistent on the most patterns is one too.

EDIT: Reuben's idea seems to be the best.

So we agree? I think elim is way better than cumul, and ben's idea is a fair middle ground I guess.

Not quite -- it seems like he's saying that a player shouldn't be allowed to simply scrape around the earlier rounds by being lazy since there's more people to fall back on. Players that are lazy in the first four rounds would suffer due to not maximizing their scores before the cut.

It's safe to say that I am no longer considering this concept for non-D7 divisions. I still feel horrible about certain D7 players not being able to experience the competition for a few rounds. Cumulative scoring alleviates this issue, technically. Maybe I should just stick with that after all.

This concept was worth a shot at the least, and we got some pretty good discussion out of it in the process.

[andy-o24]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Just keep the cumulative scoring that you had for D7 last official for this one. If you want to try this for all divisions, do it in a user-run tournament and document the successes/failures. Use that data to determine if it would work for a full official and perhaps next time use it.

-o24

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

No what I mean is that a player with strengths on harder files shouldnt be granted a place in the later rounds if he can't proove he can do the lower end files better than the other players. I absolutely dont see why you'd do so because the eliminated players are totally able to play the files even though they're not in the tourney anymore and compare their score to the ones who are still competing. And what if they get better scores than the competitors while they're eliminated you might ask ? Well to me it's just better luck next time, you didnt manage to survive the round you were eliminated on. It's an official tournament, not a custom user tourney with second chances and all that. ;/

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

In case you're still taking suggestions, I thought of a new idea. ^.^ How about if all seven divisions have an elimination tournament, but the people who are eliminated can still participate in their division in the "loser's bracket"? The loser's bracket would be cumulative and would give people who were eliminated a chance to still participate in the tournament and win credit prizes, but they wouldn't be able to affect the elimination bracket. What does everyone think of this idea?