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  • #17431
    This Is How We Do It~
    bob bob
    • Oct 2006
    • 3226

    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

    DRAMA O SHI

    also arch0wl as judge, lol this should be interesting

    EDIT:
    Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
    Having files on DF isnt anything to use as backup for having files. They're very lenient with judging and files are easily accepted there.
    Couldn't agree more
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    • #17432
      D6 FFR Legacy Player
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      iironiic
      • Jan 2009
      • 4342

      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

      For future references, is being a backup judge a one time commitment? I wouldn't want to be a judge despite how busy I am all the time, but I'm considering being a backup judge sometime in the future when I stepped enough files.

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      • #17433
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Simfile Author
        ichliebekase
        • May 2006
        • 3213

        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

        For everyone who keeps saying "drama blah blah blah" you guys are the ones who are going to start crap. I took it out of the thread to Jimerax personally. If he sees Jeff [Niala] and I to be fit judges, then he'll put us in. We're back-up judges for the time being and if you guys have a problem with Jimerax's opinion then take it up with him personally.
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        • #17434
          snooches
          FFR Simfile Author
          Plan_Bsk81127
          • Aug 2007
          • 6420

          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

          Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.

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          • #17435
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            ichliebekase
            • May 2006
            • 3213

            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
            Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.
            I'm trying to understand how I'm starting drama...good joke there ;]
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            • #17436
              FFR Player
              who_cares973
              • Aug 2006
              • 15407

              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by ichliebekase
              So? That wasn't the point of me saying how many I had. It was to point out that I did have some and where they were. Please stop getting on my case Carlos.
              Originally posted by ichliebekase
              I've got about 8+ files in DF's engine so it's not like I've only stepped a few things before.
              You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

              Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"
              Last edited by who_cares973; 01-5-2011, 10:32 AM.

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              • #17437
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Simfile Author
                ichliebekase
                • May 2006
                • 3213

                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by who_cares973
                You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

                Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"
                I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my files. But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new judges aren't going to be able to judge well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

                Let's all just wait and see what happens.
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                • #17438
                  FFR Player
                  who_cares973
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 15407

                  Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by ichliebekase
                  I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my craftsmanship But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new bridge builders aren't going to be able to build bridges well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

                  Let's all just wait and see what happens.
                  See what I did there? There's a reason why experience is required

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                  • #17439
                    FFR Player
                    who_cares973
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 15407

                    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                    Awesome idea except the step 30 seconds in 30 minutes. Seems pointless. I was actually going to do the first bit myself lol. I was going to step a file with intentional errors and have some people test them out to see if they're of to snuff

                    I wouldn't mind that implemented at all

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                    • #17440
                      Banned
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                      Arch0wl
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 6344

                      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                      I can understand why some drama would result from judge selection. It's a vague thing, and it's extremely presumptuous for someone to say they can do it better than you.

                      I think the most important quality a judge can have is an authority built from experience in the community. Not because this will make him/her a better judge, but because people are less likely to say they deserve it more. Second to that, you should have (1) the ability to provide constructive feedback: "here's what I liked, here's what I think would make your file better", and (2) a tendency to get the judging done right away, because no one wants to wait forever to have their file judged.

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                      • #17441
                        Banned
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        Arch0wl
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 6344

                        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                        Also, any judge exam would essentially cement a kind of aristocracy where there is one "judge style" that's passed down from judge to judge. This is precisely what happened with pad simfile tournaments in 2003 and 2004. Almost no song could win which wasn't some type of 8-footer happy house garbage, and this pretty much stayed the same until ITG came out.

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                        • #17442
                          Rhythm game specialist.
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                          TC_Halogen
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 19510

                          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by MrPopadopalis25
                          It would be impossible to account for everybody's sort of taste as far as judging goes. Some people like technical piano files, some people like bursty IDM files, some people like files with just straight 16th stream, and some people like straight 8th note anime openings. A good judge should be able to make sure the file passes the bare minimums (proper BPM and offsync, basic notes actual follow something, layering isn't all over the place, etc) and then go from there as to whether or not the file would be fun and appealing for the majority of players.
                          It's the precise reason why a person needs to be able to differentiate between their likes and preferences, to things that are noted inconsistencies within the files (goes back to objective errors).

                          EDIT: also, for anyone using the reason that they have files on DF, I want to personally let you know that, while I'm lenient there:
                          Originally posted by bmah
                          strictness rating:

                          green = I'm easy
                          yellow = I'm easy-moderate
                          orange = I'm moderate-strict
                          red = I'm strict

                          [Team 3] (26 files)
                          TC_Halogen
                          buizel8888
                          who_cares973
                          i love you
                          I'm not over here. My way of helping out over there is being lighter on judging when a person is trying to build a foundation toward stepping, rather than giving them harsh ratings. Over here, I'm assuming that a person has all of the fundamentals down, and my definitions of the fundamentals happens to stretch slightly past layering and consistency.
                          Last edited by TC_Halogen; 01-5-2011, 11:50 AM.

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                          • #17443
                            FFR Simfile Author
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                            ichliebekase
                            • May 2006
                            • 3213

                            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by Arch0wl
                            Second to that, you should have (1) the ability to provide constructive feedback: "here's what I liked, here's what I think would make your file better", and (2) a tendency to get the judging done right away, because no one wants to wait forever to have their file judged.
                            I like what you said here. Providing good feedback is what is more necessary than anything when judging files [because I thought that's what we were doing here >.>]

                            I liked the Judging Exam except for the speed round too, mainly because there are some step artists that take their time and don't usually finish a file within 3 days.
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                            • #17444
                              Rhythm game specialist.
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                              FFR Music Producer
                              TC_Halogen
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 19510

                              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                              random unrelated note: three of our judges (and one ex-judge) all share the same birthday today

                              Happy birthday to Patashu, Silvuh, and Kory (and Rebirth, but he won't see this for another year).

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                              • #17445
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                                woker-X
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1043

                                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                                Really??.. wow...

                                Happy birthday to all of them :3

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