Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[who_cares973]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

lets use a 1-1000 scale

[Patashu]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'

Alternatively, EVERY queue is a conditional queue until the stepcharter writes in and says yes/no to every suggested thing in the batch notes, nominating either the current .sm or a modified .sm as the final version.

[qqwref]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

++ and -- are the same with + and - score-wise but we will take judge's intention at least.

Well, has any file that would have been rejected (due to point count) been accepted because it had a ++? (And -- is still meaningless because giving a file a - already automatically rejects it with the current system, even if the other judges love it.)

I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'

Great idea. I don't think we need a 5-point scale, because if you give something 2 or less the actual rating doesn't matter much (a 2 is not really more likely to get accepted than a 1 or 0), so I think it would be good enough to have four levels that are essentially 5/5, 4/5, 3/5, and 0/5. In that case:
[++]=great, [+]=good, [?]=average, [-]=bad
and then add one ! for each additional point you think the stepartist could improve the chart with recommendations. So [+!] would be a good file that could be great with some fixes.

Then a file might need (say) 12-13 of 15 points in this scheme to make the real queue, but if it got up to 13 points including !'s (as 1 point each) then it would make the conditional queue.

[jimerax]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

I still think +. (light accept) and + (strong accept) should be separated.

I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'

Yeah I know about this "perfectly stepped mediocre song" vs "roughly stepped awesome song" discussion.
Both could be 4/5(+.), but I think the latter really needs tweaks even if it's accepted.

In addition to normal rating, [accept /fix] in the comment could be useful for those (and occasionally those files will be in conditional queue).

Well, has any file that would have been rejected (due to point count) been accepted because it had a ++? (And -- is still meaningless because giving a file a - already automatically rejects it with the current system, even if the other judges love it.)

(+, +, -) isn't always a reject.
also - and -- matter mainly for submission limit reduction, or temporary ban of submission.
If a file get 3 "-"s (-- is counted as 2), the submitter should get some penalty for the submission.

[Patashu]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

I can't think of any penalty that would stick as they could just submit under a pseudonym, except for a downloadable 'wall of shame' where examples of what not to do are held.

[jimerax]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

I can't think of any penalty that would stick as they could just submit under a pseudonym, except for a downloadable 'wall of shame' where examples of what not to do are held.

Yea it's possible if they take time to submit with another account and e-mail without being noticed. Even if they succeed at submitting, they can't get credit for the real account when their files get accepted.

[kommisar]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

why use a decimal to complicate things?

Simply put: do a 5 point scale, three judges, 12 point acceptance minimum with discretion used on files that fall below 12 points due to a single judge's difference in opinion. Forget all of the symbol nonsense.

this would actually be a more accurate way of accepting things

[kjman472]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

niceee

[AsphyxZero]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

Awesome post.

[kommisar]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

quick question why did i lose my ffr r1 simfile author title

[Coolboyrulez0]

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quick question why did i lose my ffr r1 simfile author title

isnt that on kommisar[os]?

[jimerax]

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isnt that on kommisar[os]?

true. you can't have that title on every alt account.

[Korygon]

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in the last batch i submitted under like 3 different alts. Each of them are so getting a title B)

[bmah]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

Addressing a few comments I've received:

I don't know whether you guys still publish easy files or not, but it's worth a shot.

Haha, we NEED more easy files. Don't let the trend of hard files ending up in the game discourage you from sending easy stuff. The acceptance rate for easy files is also generally a higher than sending in more difficult files.

If the jacks are a bit too much, tell me quickly so I can fix before the batch closes.

Your best bet for an opinion is someone else who has experience in stepping stuff...yeah, don't count on someone providing an opinion through the submission email. Ask someone like Patashu to check over it if he's available.

@woker: It's not a huge deal, but can you please send multiple files within a single email? Thanks!

Ok guys, you need to add your usernames to the song folder's title please. There's already three here without them.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

Ok guys, you need to add your usernames to the song folder's title please. There's already three here without them, and I have no clue who stepped those files...

I remembered to add it to the zip title and I guess didn't add it to the file itself :/

But final hour is mine