Former FGO almost AAA

[Phynx]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

Most stepfile authors design files to cater to right-handers (e.g. the majority of players). Mirror allows left-handers, as well as those who happen to have weaker dominant hands for some reason or another, to play on equal grounds. Otherwise, FFR would be (and until Eli's mirror idea emerged, was) a game biased towards right-handers.

P.S. - And yes, I'm left-handed, just fyi.

P.P.S. - I wouldn't really care if my scores got wiped, except maybe for Piano Etude (although my first AAA was actually non-mirror).

Okay, here's what I have told sprite, with a few things added. Regardless of whether directional preferences have influenced stepchart creations, sim artists have created their files with styles that make the file whatever difficulty it is. Now how I see things is that players of any style should be recorded on the basis of how the original stepchart, not the mirrored version, scores were. I don't agree with you that the majority of sims are catered to right handers. I've had difficulty with SEVERAL SM files that are left handed and upon mirroring them, I could pass them rather easily because it put the hard parts in my better hand(right). Thus my argument. Mirroring isn't playing the original stepchart that was intended to be played.

[ieatyourlvllol]

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That would be like forbidding a left-hander from playing on corresponding controls for video games.

"What? You can't use left-handed controls. That's not how the controller was originally intended to be operated."

[Phynx]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

That would be like forbidding a left-hander to play on corresponding controls for video games.

"What? You can't use left-handed controls. That's not how the controller was originally intended to be operated."

But there is where you're scraping for a reason. For example, we'll take a normal guitar. There are right and left hand versions. BUT the charts for the notes of a certain piece of music are exactly the same, they arn't reversed for the ease of the opposite hander than the musics creator. Also, FFR isn't like a normal game in that it is a rhythm game that is based off of how arrows are hit at the beat of a song, accuracy and speed intended. Stepcharts have one pattern, and that's THEIR pattern, if you mirror, it's like creating the evil twin of that song which allows for disadvantaging parts to be played on your advantaged hand. Thus playing unfairly. Take Blooddrunk for example. I, among the many, HATE the left hand trill. I suck total ass at left hands trills. BUT I still play the normal, non-mirrored, version of the song because I don't believe that if I mirrored and put that trill in my right hand and got a better score that, that should be recorded. It's not fair to the rest of the people of FFR who play it normally.

[gnr61]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

**stepmania essay**

i play zl on left lol

[Loot You]

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mirror isn't cheating this has been a stepmania fact for 500 years or more

now that somebody actually posted about it on ffr (and no, eli or w/e his name is wasn't the first one to think of flipping the screen and what not) you're saying it's an unfair advantage?

this is just like when speed mods came out and everybody said they were an unfair advantage

[gnr61]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

FfR is 2 much liek SM nao gais

[Phynx]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

Haha, ieat, I must say, this is rather fun, but for the majority of what's left of the current day, I will be gone to go bowling with some friends, will be back around midnight to possibly resume this argument if growing proportions.

[jimerax]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

Using any features on FFR is allowed guys.

[RoastedNoob]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

That feature isn't on FFR.

[gnr61]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

my laptop is incompatible with mirror

[Silver_Brian]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

I wasn't aware there was a mirror mode...?

[windsurfer-sp]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

Screen-shrinking is manipulating the ffr playing screen. So is using mirror mode. Both are expectable IMO.

As long as you dont manipulate the engine or the inputs (no ds) I dont see how it can be considered cheating.

[darkshark]

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We should all just play 1x no screencut one handed....like the good ol' days xD

[Adamaja456]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

sprite, your godamn amazing at this game. nice score.
i feel like a retard just hitting the trills as jumps during the longer section, but oh well, i got the FC.. hah

[ieatyourlvllol]

Re: Former FGO almost AAA

Allow me to dissect the argument [hey guys this post is tl;dr (unless you like reading ieat logic l-o-l)]

But there is where you're scraping for a reason. For example, we'll take a normal guitar. There are right and left hand versions. BUT the charts for the notes of a certain piece of music are exactly the same, they arn't reversed for the ease of the opposite hander than the musics creator.

You're talking about music. You don't play music backwards, simply because it's based on sound, which can be harmoniously interpreted in but a single fashion (e.g. it's one way), both in the tonic and the melodious sense. That's why we usually don't play either songs or notes in reverse; the result is usually a cacophonous, nonsensical mess.

In stepgames, the patterns of the game are based around a central line of division (which, if visible, would be a line drawn straight down the middle) Therefore, you have left-handed and right-handed patterns, and every other existing pattern has a corresponding reflection (which, as a side note, is naturally the same for the two symmetrical patterns - left+right / up+down jumps).

Also, FFR isn't like a normal game in that it is a rhythm game that is based off of how arrows are hit at the beat of a song, accuracy and speed intended. Stepcharts have one pattern, and that's THEIR pattern, if you mirror, it's like creating the evil twin of that song which allows for disadvantaging parts to be played on your advantaged hand. Thus playing unfairly.

But the so-called "advantaged hand" differs from player to player. If a left-hander must suffer from the prevalence of right-handed patterns, are you to blame him/her for being born that way? Aside from using mirror, which allows for the accommodation of such differences, nothing short of forcing the player to rewire the dominant control system of the two brain hemispheres will allow him/her to overcome the inherent disadvantages created by possession of an uncommon trait.

As I stated above, mirror turns a stepfile's patterns into the respective reflections, which are no more different due to the fact that our hands (we are, of course, speaking in regard of the spread style of playing, though it still applies to others, nonetheless) are analogous to the steps, since they also share the exact same central line of division; outer fingers hit outer notes, and inner fingers hit inner notes.

Take Blooddrunk for example. I, among the many, HATE the left hand trill. I suck total ass at left hands trills. BUT I still play the normal, non-mirrored, version of the song because I don't believe that if I mirrored and put that trill in my right hand and got a better score that, that should be recorded. It's not fair to the rest of the people of FFR who play it normally.

Hmm...I hate to break it to you, but in case you haven't noticed, Blooddrunk has a left-handed and a right-handed trill. They're the exact same pattern. The only thing mirror does is switch the order in which they appear, and that doesn't do much of anything at all in terms of reducing the difficulty.

Additionally, as for the notion of unfairness, you must also consider - mirror isn't just for left-handers and the like. I can utilize it for all the files that favor right-handers, and they (and you), in turn, can use it for the few remaining files that are conversely geared towards left-handers. There is no consequent inequality.

YOUR MOVE =O