T.Y.H.Y. :: FFR Batch Submission
bmah - T.Y.H.Y. - Personative [6.5 / 10]
October/November 2021
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permission: BMS of Fighters 2011
just another cranky-like rave song

- The sim folder contains additional files that can be removed. [ .dwi ]

✔️ This chart has been marked as final and shouldn't receive any more changes.

Simfile Folder Name

T.Y.H.Y. (bmah)

Note Count

935

Chart Length

1:43

Average NPS

9.3781

Estimated Difficulty

61.96

First Note

0:04

Ending Note Delay

0:01

Hand Bias

x -39

Framers

0 - 0 1 - 0 2 - 0 3 - 6 4 - 5

Jumps

x 219

Hands

x 37

Quads

x 0

Color Jumps

x 0

Color Hands

x 0

Color Quads

x 0

Most notes in:

1/3 of a Second
8 - 24.00 nps 0.5 Seconds
11 - 22.00 nps 1 Second
17 - 17.00 nps 2 Seconds
30 - 15.00 nps 5 Seconds
65 - 13.00 nps 10 Seconds
121 - 12.10 nps 30 Seconds
344 - 11.47 nps 1 Minute
634 - 10.57 nps

Color Count

x 430 (45.99%)
x 283 (30.27%)
x 0 (0%)
x 214 (22.89%)
x 0 (0%)
x 8 (0.86%)
x 0 (0%)
x 0 (0%)
x 0 (0%)

Largest Note Gaps

0.8s0.8s0.6s0.6s0.4s0.4s0.4s0.4s
35
28
21
14
7

T.Y.H.Y (bmah) [6/10]
> Permission check good.
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> No issues found within simfile properties.
> Folder contains ".dwi" file. Recommend removing.

- 0:03.882 This jack is just too much for me. Considering the difficulty of the rest of the chart, its just too much.

- 0:08.312 the rhythm here has a clear galloping rhythm. The 16th notes are not strong enough to consider them the start and feels like just another note. the 8ths in each rhythm should really be filled in.

- 0:13.345 This note could really use a jump for the powerful sound here.

- 0:16.164 This pattern is suddenly dense and feels out of place when compared to what comes before and after it. I'm not even sure i understand why its so dense in the first place.

- 0:19.486 Here, and every other repeat of this part there is a repeated 16th here that isn't charted.

- 0:20.593 I believe you have 4th anchors here for the beat, however the place that each anchor switches is unintuitive. spots like 0:20.996 are much better places to switch otherwise the anchor placement just feels arbitrary and random. I think it would be more obvious to the player as well with more structure.

- 0:42.942 to be consistent with 0:35.493 this should really be a jump.

- 0:43.949 While there are bass notes here, I think ignoring them would be a better move. Adding them in instead starting at 0:46.768 with the kicks would help build the chart up better with the song. Also the bass feels like its delayed a bit and not actually on the 4ths.

- 0:53.211 [234] hands here are overused. There aren't that many notes of the exact same pitch. [124] isn't even used in this pattern so many throwing in more of those would be better for this pattern.

** 0:56.432 At about this point, this almost feels like a completely different chart. The density goes way up and honestly the music doesn't even change that much to warrant such a harsh change in my eyes. Compare this section to how the start is charted. There are only 1 or 2 new instruments and yet the chart is 10 levels above in density. This is also a calmer section on the song so it being the hardest section so far feels even more wrong. Honestly its harder than the section that follows, which is the hype section this part is supposed to be building up to.

- 1:40.426 Again, No.

I think the layering can be a bit confusing at times and i dont always agree with the patterning, but my main issue is that it feels like you took two different charts and glued them together. I'm all for charts having a difficulty curve, but how its handled in this song doesn't feel like it reflects the music and feels out of place and the chart is worse for it. This chart goes from looking like an easier chart to dense hell. between the two, that easier concept felt more appealing to me. z

T.Y.H.Y (bmah) [7/10, CQ/FR*]
>Perms, metadata, sync good
>Additive Layering file

50.392-50.493/52.003-52.103 - Could make a minijack here to express the sudden loud noise.
53.211-55.627 - Why hands? Should be jump; there’s no CymbalCrash and it’s just Synth+Kick.
59.251/1:00.862/1:02.473/1:04.083/1:07.305 - Should be jump. Piano+Vocal.
1:20.895 - Why jump? It’s just piano.
1:21.701 - Why jump? If it was for Piano+VocalEcho, then the jump should’ve been at 1:21.600.
*1:25.426-1:37.103 - What’s with these 16th yellow jumps? Compare 17.775-30.661.
1:37.808 - Should be single. Only main melody, no vocal.

>>Alright Additive Layering file. CQ/FR* for layering inconsistency.

storn42:
0:03.882 This jack is just too much for me. Considering the difficulty of the rest of the chart, its just too much.
- Shouldn't really be an issue, especially as it's in the very beginning of the file.

0:08.312 the rhythm here has a clear galloping rhythm. The 16th notes are not strong enough to consider them the start and feels like just another note. the 8ths in each rhythm should really be filled in.
- I see what you're saying, but one can argue multiple ways as how to interpret the more subtle percussions here (besides the 4ths). I felt it was more interesting to go with 16th gallops, as that factors into layering later in the song.

0:16.164 This pattern is suddenly dense and feels out of place when compared to what comes before and after it. I'm not even sure i understand why its so dense in the first place.
- The layering is pretty straightforward here and there isn't anything inherently unreasonable to play in context with the chart as a whole.

0:19.486 Here, and every other repeat of this part there is a repeated 16th here that isn't charted.
- The only 16ths I hear that I'm omitting are the galloping drums. There isn't any 16ths here to the melody. Regarding the omitting of the 16th gallops: I mix things up. It won't be acknowledged all the time, especially if doing so can make the chart look messier as it runs throughout the entire song. So acknowledging the 16th gallops will be selective.

0:42.942 to be consistent with 0:35.493 this should really be a jump.
- Actually I should have made 36.90s a single arrow instead, so I fixed that.

0:43.949 While there are bass notes here, I think ignoring them would be a better move. Adding them in instead starting at 0:46.768 with the kicks would help build the chart up better with the song. Also the bass feels like its delayed a bit and not actually on the 4ths.
- Yeah I heard the difference as well. The bass drums from 46.768s sounds louder, but unfortunately the bass drums before that are not insignificant either - they're too loud to be ignored. I don't really see a solution to this besides overlayering when the bass drum gets louder. Colored arrows don't quite do the trick either. Best to leave this alone.

** 56.432 At about this point, this almost feels like a completely different chart. The density goes way up and honestly the music doesn't even change that much to warrant such a harsh change in my eyes. Compare this section to how the start is charted. There are only 1 or 2 new instruments and yet the chart is 10 levels above in density. This is also a calmer section on the song so it being the hardest section so far feels even more wrong. Honestly its harder than the section that follows, which is the hype section this part is supposed to be building up to.
- This is more of a matter of charting styles and interpretations and should not be counted against me. While I perfectly understand where you're coming from, that simply doesn't feel right to me. This should be seen as personal differences and not something that is inherently wrong.

100.426 Again, No.
- It's fine.

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ositzxz369:
53.211-55.627 - Why hands? Should be jump; there’s no CymbalCrash and it’s just Synth+Kick.
- Actually there is a cymbal crash! They're just short crashes instead of being slightly more sustained, which is why you didn't detect them. In regards to whether these should be hands or not despite what I mentioned, could go either way. Personally I feel the main synth theme of the song is quite repetitive and it lends to a more monotonous file, so I welcome the hands.

59.251/60.862/62.473/64.083/67.305 - Should be jump. Piano+Vocal.
- They're just single sounds here: the vocals. Piano doesn't play in these spots.

80.895 - Why jump? It’s just piano.
- Actually piano + vocal (it's a stutter).

81.701 - Why jump? If it was for Piano+VocalEcho, then the jump should’ve been at 81.600.
- No, but I guess I wasn't clear. Basically, there's going to be an introduction of layering in the 16th gallops. Remember the beginning of the file with just the galloping percussion? Well, that pokes its head ever so slightly right at the spot you're pointing out as the percussions become louder. But I can see others not picking this up, so I'll remove that layering here. However, it comes into full play in the last section coming up.

*85.426-97.103 - What’s with these 16th yellow jumps? Compare 17.775-30.661.
- This is what I was just referring to earlier: the addition of the 16th gallop layering into the melody. At this point, you get very tired of the same repetitive 4th drum + syncopated synth melody, so you gotta mix it up a bit. Might as well test the skills by making this last section a little more interesting: make the repetitive 4th drum the repetitive 16th gallops instead. Now I COULD change it back to repetitive 4th drums but that'd be so, SO boring so I don't prefer to if I can.

97.808 - Should be single. Only main melody, no vocal.
- this is the last remnants of the 16th gallops. It is consistent with 97.00s.

FINAL COMMENTS:
- storn42: It's quite clear we have very different approaches to this song (namely the second half) but it is not correct to ding me to a 6/10 for a disagreement on stepping styles. Please don't make this a habit while judging.
- ositzxz369: I think you just didn't understand the layering at the end was inserting the 16th gallops to make a thematically repetitive song more interesting. But I do appreciate you trying to interpret my approach.

Therefore: APPEAL

Rating appealed from Storn. For myself, I’ll release the FR/CQ since I see the additive layering with the synth and the non-synth for 1:25.426-1:37.103.

A new chart file was uploaded with the following changes:
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Note Count changed: 938 => 935
AVG NPS changed: 9.40822 => 9.37813
Hand Bias changed: -38 => -39

A new chart file was uploaded.